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I agree it was the best rationale. I was interested to understand what was the root cause of the problem.

I found the root cause of my problem; The shield between the planetary and the armature was making contact with the armature and arcing. At this point, I think I am going to play it safe, and purchase a new starter motor. I am not certain I understand how could the armature could come in contact with the shield. I will continue investigating as I did not manage to remove the brush assy. holder at the back of the motor housing. With the shield removed, you can clearly see it seats on the top of the magnets. I am guessing the armature moved forward. By the way, the magnets were glued and not clipped. Now I have a decision to make: should I replace it with a Valeo, or with a no brand equivalent.... The no brand is a drop in replacement, correct?

For sale is the spare seat that came with my '2001 Greenie. Never used, perfect condition. Best offer will buy. I will ship anywhere. Shipping at buyers expense depending on how they want it shipped.

Yes - the bolt pattern for the fender is different than the Marzocchi forks. OEM CF fenders are hard to find, but aftermarket fenders are readily available, and IMO look better than the OEM ones.

So , there are no surprises , these do require a fender for the Ohlins forks . T ?

I still have them, and am responding in order of recent posts, starting with EAB's.

The 2007 model Griso's in the USA were only made with the 2 VPC 1100cc motor. They started selling them in 2006, but called them 2007 model year bikes. After a couple years of that they switched over to the new 1200 8V motor. There was also a 2VPC 1200 motor, but that was never offered in a Griso. If that Griso really has a motor from a 1200S it may be a case of someone blowing up the motor and finding a rebuilt 1200S motor to replace it with. But why the original 1100 motor blew up or why the 1200S motor it was replaced with needed rebuilding would be a scary question you probably don't want to know the answer to. There is no good answer for why such a young Guzzi motor needs rebuilding. Your best saving grace is probably that whatever caused those two motors to fail isn't really important to you, all that matters to you is that the person rebuilding the 1200S motor knew what they were doing and did a good job. Is the question here which one of those two Griso's would be the one to buy? If so, I would say mechanically the newer 8V bike has the better engine for power but the older engine is probably more fuel efficient and reliable. The first gen of 8V motor had serious mechanical issues but by 2015 they had pretty much resolved all that so the newer one should have a better motor, but there is something to be said for the stone axe simple motor in the first gen. But if that motor is not the motor it came with and has been meddled with all bets are off. I would pick the newer 8V Griso between those two. As to the name of the color, the first one, the 2V one, is red while the second one I would say is orange (not red). It didn't start out as red and fade to that color, it was always that semi-flat orange. They offered the SE version in a couple different interesting colors like that. For example in 2013 you could get an SE in a silver/black combo with the same design but what was orange on that one was silver. I don't think that orange color was ever offered for the 2V Griso. As mentioned, it is a little confusing with the various big block options from the CARC days. The original Griso in the USA only came in a two valve per cylinder layout. They made an 1100cc and 850cc version of that two valve per cylinder motor, but I have never seen an 850 version in the USA (they may be here, but I never saw one). Then they switched to the 8V motor, meaning four valves per cylinder. They called it an 8 valve motor likely to differentiate it from the older 4 valve per cylinder designs like the Daytona and Lario. So, a 2V motor has two valves per cylinder while the 8V motor has four valves per cylinder. The SE designation was not referring to the motor but rather labeling the model a Special Edition, or SE. It had fancy paint and wire wheels as I recall, but motor wise it was the same 8V motor used in other Griso's of that year. Mainly with Griso's in the US there are the 1100cc 2V motors that they originally came with for the first couple years and then after that they switched to the 8V motors. You can typically tell which are which by looking at the cylinder heads / valve covers. I am pretty sure in Pete's picture his red Griso is an 8V 1200 motor while the black Griso next to his is an earlier 2V 1100cc motor. Interesting side note, the first gen Griso with the 1100cc 2V motor can use earlier 2V valve covers from the V11 Sport era. Where as the 8V motors use a completely different valve cover that is in no way interchangeable with the earlier motors.

Both the older 2-VPC models, both 850 and 1100, were made in the flat red. There were also a couple of runs of 1200-8V models with the flat red. The Griso was never produced with the 1200-2VPC motor, not in any colour. Apart from the swap to a roller top end in the middle of 2012 all the 1200-8V Grisos are essentially identical apart from the 2015 on models using the Cali 1400 sump. Both Bill Hagan and I had flat red Griso 1200’s. Here’s one of a much younger me and my Griso Pinko in LA!

You are comparing different models with different engines. At some point they went to the newer color scheme when they upped the displacement and changed to the 4 valve head. Not sure when the colors changed, but the engine was upgraded by 2008. I personally prefer the matte reddish orange to the older shiny red, plus the extra power. That's why I bought one. I think it is a work of art, just like a nice shiny V11.

You need these Joe.

I’m interested. I’ll PM you Scud.

I am wondering if Guzzi produced earlier Griso models using a Ducati Red, and later Orange? The one here below is a 2007 equipped with a 2008 1200S engine. It really looks good, and the engine has been completely rebuilt, says the owner. 4,300 USD... 10,00 miles on Engine on r with new rings, lower end bearings, cam, cam bearings, oil pump and seals at Renaissance cycle. Total declared mileage is 37,000 miles. I am uneasy about why was the engine completely rebuilt at 37K. What a looker! So there were Griso equipped with 1200S and later 1200SE engines? Then there is that other one: 2015 and 6900 USD. See the pictures below the 2007 one. It does look "less" Red than the first one, doesn't it? Thoughts? Griso 2015:

As a general principal I'm not sure I see the point in rebuilding a component with an inherent fault when a later superior iteration has been released unless you have the ability to reproduce the update to the original unit. Always opt for the latest version unless there is some other issue. I'd personally opt for the later unit with the better magnet retention system if indeed that is the case here. Phil

Some vendors sell USD fork oil . I have read it has special powers . Mine came w/it when I had my internals worked on and new springs. I would have to go out in the shop to see the brand / wt , etc...

You know Ohlins gold is the only way to go !

Good luck !

@Scud If you still have them could you send me a pic of what you are selling? Thanks in advance.

You can get "LV" ATF these days as well. "LV" Low Viscosity. Phil

My Valeo starter is model D6RA210. "Made in France". This is a survivor! I can't just throw it away to replace it with one made somewhere else... Tomorrow I shall open it. It seems like the driving housing is fastened by torx screws.

Still only three Scura R-owners on the forum?

Now l have to do some organizing in my shelfs with the enormous amount of parts. Many new, Titanium ex, carbon fender, side covers, complete fuelpump asembly ++++. 10013km, all original. Cheers Tom. Sent fra min SM-S906B via Tapatalk

I use ATF for all my forks, 10w by default.

I purchased some wire, two battery terminals, two alligator clips. The Solenoid seems to work perfectly. That starter is coming off.

I am not smart enough to post a pic , so if you will , Google a Lisle 20750 remote starter tool . This is what I am referring to. You attach one lead to a 12v source and one lead to the starter solenoid tab . Make sure the transmission is in neutral ! Pushing the button will cause the starter to function or it will not function. If the starter operates , the starter is good and the problem is in the wiring circuit on the bike. If the starter does not operate , then it is bad and needs replacing. I do this for a living and It is not cost effective to mess with . Disassembling this starter will be entertaining but it will cost as much in time and parts as replacing this component with a new one.

As if I didn't already have enough project bikes to work on, I had to go pick up another one. Not running quite yet but she'll get there.