The Monkey Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 The movie "The cook, the thief, his wife and her lover" illustrated quite well the diabolical stupidity of the Reagan, Thatcher time. 20 years on and we are still dealing with its aftermath! Amazing and incredibly sad.
Guest ratchethack Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 No manhole cover on a Jackal, Ratch -filter in sump. Sorry, my bad. Roger the Cali Jackal USD filter mount.
Guest ratchethack Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 The movie "The cook, the thief, his wife and her lover" illustrated quite well the diabolical stupidity of the Reagan, Thatcher time. 20 years on and we are still dealing with its aftermath! Amazing and incredibly sad. Ah, yes. Peter Greenaway's masterwork of Kultural pornography, having earned the brilliant distinction of the film industry's premier appearance of copious amounts of fecal matter, mixed in with the usual gratuitous sex and violence, with food thrown in as a garnish. Evidently, Greenaway gets credit for the novel gimmick of capturing a blend of material from both ends of the human gastro-intestinal tract on film, under the assumption that alternately filming human feces and restaurant food makes the standard fare of over-played gratuitous sex and violence more palatable. Evidently (Part II) the usual poste moderne critics predictably all fell to their knees in group rapture over the most perverse of the shitty parts, as if he'd made some brilliant and revolutionary new breakthrough in advancing the ever-progressive, ever-challenging frontiers of "edgy" social and political commentary by elevating human excrement to the role of a central character in and of itself. A rather dubious (not to mention smelly) distinction for a rather dubious (not to mention smelly) film. But such brilliance had never got by the censors before (at least to this magnitude), and it became wot passed for a crowning achievement of the filmmaking industry 2 decades ago. But there's more! Beyond the elevation of raw human shite to stardom, the most highly lauded monumental breakthrough achievement of this film, we have a truly uplifting story here, with first-class character development based on the delights of rolling in filth and all manner of sub-human behaviors of the dregs of humanity. Another twist and re-re-heated take-off on the now overly-mature "Pigs in Slop" flick. I suppose those who could stomach the smell, and didn't find themselves overly annoyed by sticking to the seats and floors of the theaters where it was shown, were quite impressed in '89 -- and it's evidently (Part III) made quite the lasting impression ever since. . . That so many people actually continue to swallow a designer worldview fabricated for their consumption by purveyors of the "urine in a bucket" art genre is indeed not only amazing, but incredibly sad. Greenaway well and truly set a new record low water mark in the canal for the depths to which the seedier denizens of popular Kulture happily continue their slimy slide -- even today, apparently. As for all those who habitually consume a steady diet of this kind of entertainment and have embraced it as their reality, I suppose that after 20 years of wallowing in stink and stifling your gag reflex, you'd tend to lose your sense of smell altogether. And once you've been well conditioned to get past the stench, you can pretty much swallow anything -- even the shitty end of a stick.
Distilled Waters Run Deep Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 Back to my version of this topic, I've only just realised the significance of over-tightening... With previous posts on this in mind I put a bit more pressure on my filter than usual, & inwardly shrivelled because I hate coming to a filter so tight I have to butcher it to get it off... & belt & braces, a jubilee clip. By putting such a whack on the filter, presumably I'd over-tensioned the rubber of the 'o' ring, so losing it's resistance & allowing it to eventually give way (under high heat/fully synth 5/w50?) & allow the filter to loosen. Before writing my first post in this thread, I put the new filter in as tight as I normally would a filter (I'll probably buy a tool & lighter torque wrench for next time), trusting the jubilee/hose clip to do it's job if I haven't done mine right... I'm not into dropping the sump again just yet to check, but will post if I've done something daft. BTW under 6k between filters, under 3k each oil change. Standard airbox & filter, no crap in the sump at all. I'm thinking about films which epitomise the Thatcher years/philosophy... I remember seeing the Greenaway things, dead swans & shit etc... seems true enough...
Guest ratchethack Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 Back to my version of this topic, I've only just realised the significance of over-tightening... By putting such a whack on the filter, presumably I'd over-tensioned the rubber of the 'o' ring, so losing it's resistance & allowing it to eventually give way (under high heat/fully synth 5/w50?) & allow the filter to loosen. Before writing my first post in this thread, I put the new filter in as tight as I normally would a filter (I'll probably buy a tool & lighter torque wrench for next time), trusting the jubilee/hose clip to do it's job if I haven't done mine right... I'm not into dropping the sump again just yet to check, but will post if I've done something daft. BTW under 6k between filters, under 3k each oil change. Standard airbox & filter, no crap in the sump at all. I'm thinking about films which epitomise the Thatcher years/philosophy... I remember seeing the Greenaway things, dead swans & shit etc... seems true enough... OUTSTANDING, DWRD. Knowledge is power. Onward! My take on this is that most (if not all) of the history of spontaneous backing-off of oil filters have been in cases where the filter was either known to have been installed improperly (that is, not according to mfgr spec) or the method of installation was UNKNOWN. But o' course, that's just me. Just gotta know -- What kind of filter are you using, and what's the mfgr recommended tightening drill?
Distilled Waters Run Deep Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 UFI standard -2328700 30.15.30.00 says on the filter oil the gasket screw until contact tighten by hand 10-12nm This time I pre-filled the filter with oil & screwed it on with the sump inverted.
Guest ratchethack Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 UFI standard -2328700 30.15.30.00 says on the filter oil the gasket screw until contact tighten by hand 10-12nm This time I pre-filled the filter with oil & screwed it on with the sump inverted. Good call. Some folks would no doubt interpret, "tighten by hand" to mean, "use bare hands and guesstimate the torque provided. Just my take (Part II), but when I see, "tighten by hand" followed by a torque spec, my read is that it means use a torque wrench, which, compared to using a rattle-gun , would be "tightening by hand" to the given spec. But o' course, that's just me.
savagehenry Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 BTW under 6k between filters, under 3k each oil change. Standard airbox & filter, no crap in the sump at all. I would never say you can have oil that's too fresh, but... MG's oil/filter change interval is "every 6,000 miles" with the AGIP full synth per the manual. I do oil every 5,000 and a new filter every other oil change. It's less work and $$$ and top shelf oil and a good filter (which you are using )are up to the task. On the other hand, you sure aren't doing anything harm showin'er the LOVE either. Some people say I'm "obsessed"...I see it more as Focused...
The Monkey Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 I do the filter everytime out of habit, has anyone noticed any sludge build up in the pan? I use Motul 15-50, the UFI oil filter, have the cleanable air filter and have never found sludge or deposits. I bring this up as the manual suggests cleaning the mesh pickup every change, I do it every year (every 2-3 changes) Clean as a whistle so far. Ive never approached an oil filter with a torque wrench, most the gear I work on has a recommended number of turns to go after the lubricated seal first makes contact on the spin on variety of filter. Do that for enough years and you can look at the diameter of the thread on the filter and know how far to take it. Other assembled units be they pressure filters or centrifugal filters have never failed, save the one time on a Scania Vabis when I interrupted a friend mid filter clean (centrifugal type) with a bottle of rum, poor fella left the dock the following morning to refuel and painted the entire engine room as that baby spun oil from the basin to the fuel dock! (He didnt tighten the top bolts on the centrifuge) At any rate figure out what that recommended torque feels like or if you dont do it enough, then use the torque wrench. There is no excuse for a filter backing off. Sorry for hijacking the thread earlier, I couldnt resist and thanks for the excellent review Ratchet, you have made my day I am going back to the bilge, the filth, the excrement, god how I hate boats! Cheers, have fun
Distilled Waters Run Deep Posted July 16, 2009 Posted July 16, 2009 I only changed the oil because it was a year old - & this time because I sat in an awful traffic jam & it got very hot -130 on my dip-stick gauge.
The Monkey Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Thats hot! I wonder how accurate those guages are? Best to shut down if stuck in traffic or filter the cages. There is sufficient fin surface on these engines to disperse a lot of heat, that and the layout give these mills the edge over other v-twins. But if that reading is accurate, changing the oil is a good plan. Find a better road, stay in the wind, be cool.
Distilled Waters Run Deep Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Normally I'd cautiously filter, but it was a demo & we wanted to stay together (so few of us)... MAG (Motorcycle Action Group) Cymru Ride on Driving Standards Agency
Distilled Waters Run Deep Posted August 22, 2009 Posted August 22, 2009 I've been posting on Greg's pressure gauge thread here, but if you don't want another link -dropped sump today & filter still where I left it. But I don't know why the damn warning light came on when the gauge was reading 60-70psi! "Thats hot! I wonder how accurate those guages are? " -I've just put the dipstick into a can of water on the hob, and just as it came to the boil it reads a shade under 100 degrees. Not a lot of use while you're riding, but it is accurate.
The Monkey Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 Faulty idiot switch most likely. Power will be constant to switch no pressure completes circuit resulting in idiot light lighting. Basically a ground is attained. Pooched switches supply ground when they shouldnt. It does seem odd but I seem to remember reading threads on the unreliability of the stock idiot switch (only italians and czechs have that unique ability to defy electron theory and still manage to foist the shite unto the consumer). At any rate as long as your pressure guage is accurate replace the switch with something from germany or japan. Happy dashboard!
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