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An interesting thread. Thanks, @Pressureangle, for posting it. This illustrates how those who are driven more by content and their cause du jour than process could find themselves sputtering if the underlying reasons were reversed. For example -- to use an absurd example simply for effect -- imagine if PP had said the same thing about those who support abortion anytime on demand. Some, now untroubled by this present rule because they agree with PP's political stance, might be aflame with indignation were the rationale otherwise justified. I also like what I understand to be Poland's approach to internet censorship by government or tech corps: folks are free to post anything that is not patently unlawful. In other words, no matter how stupid or farfetched, one is free to say it, with the rest of us free to accept or reject on the merits. It is sublimely fascinating to have former commies school us in freedom of speech. To say we peasants are not capable of sorting wheat from chaff is highhanded hubris of the self-appointed elite. As for alternatives, @docc, I have used PP lots, but do find this disquieting, and will now think about bailing. I can send ACH payments directly from my online bank when cash need, or use CC for others. I have used Zelle and Venmo -- https://www.forbes.com/advisor/money-transfer/zelle-vs-venmo/ -- but much less often that PP. Enough. It's now time to focus on way more important matters. So, I'll go putz in the Moto Grappa and see if I can wrench a bit without doing any major damage to my Guzzis. Bill

In other words, no matter how stupid or farfetched, one is free to say it, with the rest of us free to accept or reject on the merits. It is sublimely fascinating to have former commies school us in freedom of speech. To say we peasants are not capable of sorting wheat from chaff is highhanded hubris of the self-appointed elite. Very well said Bill.

for myself, I'll have to investigate the options. I did have a Zelle acct but think it closed from lack of use. I'd always take a mailed check from a forum member.

docc as far as I'm concerned, as long as there's an alternative to the technocratic oligarchy for my ability to donate, which there is, (a credit card, (until they are captured)) I'm happy.

Stock pipes & rear mudguard project complete.

@LowRyter's "sad face” reaction to my post, above, is intellectually interesting. If he meant that he was sad because I might do more damage to my GuzzisI, I am touched. Moreover, he and others who feel similarly will be pleased to know that I was able only to go down a few minutes and mostly just hooked up my EV to the battery tender. I am capable of causing sparks from that, but got lucky today. If, OTOH, he meant that PayPal should do as it did here because he shares P2’s view of things, it would seem that he illustrates my intended point. By that I mean, if he disagreed with PP’s position on a given political view, he would be appalled by, not applauding, the action. I am, of course, imputing to him things he may not have meant at all. If so, I have a fine unopened bottle of high-end bourbon waiting for him, tho he’ll after to come visit the Moto Grappa — where he and all Guzzisti are, with regard whatever to their political views, welcome. But, it seems to me that a business — especially a mega-business on the web — should be politically neutral. I am always bemused by those who will not buy a product and want others to boycott businesses because of the political, religious, or whatever views of the owners. That is, IMO, a personal matter and none of my concern. I distinguish that from a business that panders politics to the public in its marketing. Boycott away because they have chosen that course as a tool. Ben & Jerry's comes to mind, tho it's been a struggle to get Kathi to give up Cherry Garcia. I suppose — but I must tread there warily — that most of us would agree that a person, business, institution, or any other entity that espoused, e.g., pedophilia, human sacrifice, or similar shocking, immoral, or illegal conduct, deserves our contempt and more. But, nearly everything else falls within that realm of ideas over which we — at least one hopes we — might reasonably differ, discuss, debate … and vote. At the ballot box, not the cash register. When a major business entity essentially chooses sides — and it doesn’t matter which side — and acts to squelch those who see things differently, it does us all harm. Those who smugly see themselves as morally superior to the rest of us find nothing wrong with such censorship of speech. They seemingly think that what they do is so right that no one could object without being unworthy of consideration. Indeed, they think that those dissenting voices should be silenced. When, however, the position is not in keeping with their own, well, that’s a different matter. They will then learn that one can fight city hall (and the government generally) and win. That is hardly the case with the suits at corporate HQ’s. I thus am, as you might suppose from all of the above, no cheerleader for corporate activism no matter which "side" it is on. Life is too short to engage in this sort of discussion on a Guzzi forum. I’ll be happy to continue this at the Moto Grappa, under the pavilion at Tellico Lodge, down by The River in Kentucky on a Mutton Run, or most any place where we might gather in moto-fellowship and share our thoughts along with something worthy of our sipping. Until then, well, I’m out. Best to all, Bill

drool as old iron Jake used to say, that's sex on the prowl

Only good thinks come from NZ

I donated twice this year..Pay Pal...No problem!! Keep up the good work Jaap, docc!

I just PM'd @Pressureangle to add one of these to my pile. I waited until everyone had the chance to get one as I am the proud owner of The Very Last P.Roper MotoModa plate. Still, the chance to own, and display, this awesome Rusty Star Picket Project plate is just too much for me to pass up.

Well if we're posting quotes, this one by Booker T Washington, recently became my favorite. A lie doesn't become truth, Wrong doesn't become right, And evil doesn't become good, Just because it's accepted by a majority.

I’ve seen these on the internet all scarred up from sliding down a freeway for over a hundred dollars. This was $52.20 plus freight for a brand new (maybe old stock) part from Harper’s. Can’t say enough how happy I am at that price point.

That MAN is a photographer !

this was from a parts bike I had. Hand made. This is stainless so not an easy shop fab, but maybe useful for you to come up with something if you don't find anything. it's made from flat stock and bent. I made a template for future needs. This lighting is ebay. You can make flat portions larger for different lights. the lower bit is just thin aluminum cut to cover the exposed wiring and such under the tail. It all bolts to the existing subframe wiith no mods. Click the pics to enlarge. Hosted on https://imgzeit.com/

I'm posting this here only because the forum will show that I take PayPal for the Roper slosh plates. PayPal has changed their terms of service in a fashion I find unacceptable, so I've deleted my account and will no longer accept or make payments through them. Cancel Culture and Social Credit Scoring is very real. https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-paypal-policy-lets-company-pull-2500-from-users-accounts-if-they-promote-misinformation

Strong $ at the moment, 2 V nice ones in Germany on kleinanziegen,de. Cheers Tom.

After two successful bench cleanings and test, the injectors have now stopped working. The bike starts and runs as long as I'm forcing fuel in to the cylinders, so I again removed the injectors and found them not working any longer. Maybe I burned them out while bench testing. I did take precautions to not activate them for more than a moment, but I guess I failed. So with this, I ordered two new ones from AliExpress. Although I'm mystified as to what happened, I am excited to receive the new ones with hopes of an install, a start-up, and a test ride! At the urging of my OEM parts only brother-in-law, I plan to have the original injectors refurbished and shelved, just in case.

$50 plus actual postage. I postage to the Netherlands is around $15.

His eye & ability to capture composition, light & texture, off the charts; he's also an amazing artist, his paintings are to die for.

Doug raced Nortons & the Team Obselete stable is comprised of mostly British bikes or extreme exotica. I know they've got one early 60's MG factory racing single, Dave Roper can really make that thing dance. I've examined it up close, it's beautiful in it's own utilitarian way, but to an artistic eye, probably not so much, idk.

Yup,extremely sexy lines, well done finding that I must have only ever seen those bikes with chambers & crossovers added, I don't recall ever seeing one of those colostomy bags. I agree very atrocious,

but which one will get installed?

Right?

Found this on ebay. In NZ of all places. Bought it, 12x18, $30 shipped. I wish they sold a larger size I have a big wall Who else thinks these were prettier than the V11? Minus the colostomy bag.

Thanks 80csx. Macrae does wonderful work. He's out of my league. A 24x36 print is in the $400 range. I would if I could And I saw no Guzzis in his catalog. If money were no object tho, the Lost Singapore Black Lightning would be on the way.

To quote the learned philosopher Marilyn Manson, "I don't have enough middle fingers" for those who would appoint themselves Internet Overlord and arbiter of truth.

I was in College and Worked at San Francisco Yamaha then, He lived on Mt.Tam and used to come in the shop.

https://www.douglasmacrae.com/bikes I came to know of Douglas Macrae while volunteering with the VRRA. He's expensive but he is the best. (He doesn't do just motorcycles, fyi) He's not only extremely talented in many areas, but extremely inspiring. He gave up racing a while back, when he was diagnosed with inoperable terminal brain cancer; but he still does the odd parade lap on some of Team Obselete's fine vintage racing machines. He's done some amazing photos of well known racer Dave Roper and others. If you desire a fine print of a vintage machine captured like a piece of art, go through his catalogue, I'm sure you'll find something you like. In the near future he's publishing a huge coffee table book, but I know he has an extensive catalogue and can do posters or prints as requested. Absolutely no pressure, but if you do happen to get one, please post a photo of it. tia good luck

They’re the best sounding cans i’d say, if probably not the best looking… especially mine as the left one has crash rash 😠

Ha, yeah, I saw that, too. I suppose when a 22 year old bike has been ridden that little, a certain amount of unfamiliarity is to be expected. Otherwise, it cpuld jyst be a tupo. Lots of theze keys are pretty close tpgether.

Gotcha. Try to position the clamps so they are accessible with the tank on. Rather than crank the motor to purge air from the lines, simply turn on the ignition and run switches, listen for the fuel pump whir/stop. Repeat several times. The return line through the regulator on the right side will eventually fill all the lines/injectors with fuel.

Okay, wow! A rare, full, set of "EdgeGuards" made by our 2004-2013 member "stormsedge" . I run a full set and find them very well designed to keep the grit and spray off the shock, vulnerable shock eye, and the back of the gearbox (including the extremely important main electrical ground). When stormsedge left the forum, he offered the molds and materials to anyone that would carry on, but there were no takers.