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Looking forward to seeing what you find, @audiomick! Thanks for the extra effort. Beyond simply sourcing proper relays, this thread started as, and has remained, a tutorial for those looking to learn and understand the various factors and terminology. Even I can read a data sheet now! Combining some of things we have learned from informed experts, it occurred to me that there is a place for the sealed relay case on the V11. Not for moisture, necessarily, but in the event silicone "dielectric" grease is used on the relay base contacts. There are good resources that state the vapors are oxidized by nearby switch contacts (like relays) creating silicone dioxide (think of plating your relay contacts with thin layers of glass). Glass is an extraordinarily good insulator, but electrical contacts thrive on conductivity Based upon this premise, those who use silicon based dielectric grease on their relay bases should consider sealed relays. Or simply switch to a petroleum based grease, like @Kiwi_Roy's favorite: Vaseline®, or @Chuck's favorite, Caig DeOxit® (I prefer the "Gold "). The concept @audiomick now presents, that relays are "Verschleissteile" ("wear parts") suggests that they should have a service/replacement interval without waiting for them to fail (always occurs at a bad time).

I got a message over a German forum recommending a Hella relay, with the comment that one thing that makes it suitable is the "Bauhöhe", i.e. how high the thing physically is. The Hella is apparently relatively low-profile. I wont post the specific model until I have had a look at a few spec sheets to see how it compares. Having said that, the bloke that the information came form is definitely well informed, and an experienced professional Guzzi Mechanic. He also commented that the relays are "Verschleissteile", i.e. things that wear out during normal usage, and should be renewed as a matter of course every few years.

What Docc said. This thread is a perfect example of why the classifieds section was closed for comments up to a couple of years ago.

FWIW, I'll throw this Picker Components data-sheet in the mix. https://www.pickercomponents.com/pdf/Relays/PC782.pdf When I was doing my own research on the best available relays for V11S, I came across this Picker Components as one of the highest rated micro relay readily available, the only one with rated max continuous current in its spec sheet. The PC782-1C-12S-R-X would be the suitable one for our motorbikes: https://www.onlinecomponents.com/en/picker-components/pc7821c12srx-47154342.html

Hey Pascale...I thought I'd run into you on the road this past weekend, there were lots of riders out, and with 3 days of glorious weather, I clocked 980 miles in total. Managed to get 15 stops in so far, and another 4 scheduled for next weekend. Stops so far: Donie, Groesbeck, Corsicana, Waco, Gatesville, Comanche, Lampasas, Burnet, Johnson City, Fredericksburg (with an obligatory stop in Luckenbach of course!), Bandera, San Antonio, Kingsbury, Hutto, Navasota Next up: Galveston, Blessing, Edna, Cuero In May, will get 3 in Gladewater and nearby Dallas / East Texas to get to 25 stops I hope, while on my way up to Cedar Vale for our Guzzi rally there (join if you are interested...nice 630 mile ride up). Will have to see if I can take a run to Big Bend later in the year...that's a LONG haul. Fun little side note: I'm about a mile away from the museum in Burnet, and I see a white motorcycle coming my way. As it gets closer, it's clearly a white Norge. I turn around about a 1/4 mile down the road, and ride back 1/2 mile, the other guy has turned around. We stop and take off helmets, and what do you know, it's Larry who used to work at MPH a few years ago. Nice bit of happenstance in the middle of Hill Country.

For reference, a Coppa Italia on "Bring A Trailer" sold for $9,946 on 4/6/21 and had been located in Alleman, Iowa as part of a larger collection. It might be interesting to see if it shows up here at some point VIN: ZGUKTC0224M111275 Mileage: 8678 https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-moto-guzzi-coppa-italia-2/

https://www.onlinecomponents.com/en/datasheet/pc7821a12cdx-56669246/ Good specs! That looks like a definite "Best" high Current relay! Thanks, @Speedfrog!

I ordered a set as well for the Café Sport earlier today but I got the regular price ($70)! When I asked Mike about it, he admitted having made a mistake on the price with the earlier order and said he couldn't afford to make that mistake twice - That's ok, I think it's a fair price, especially compared to that of the graphite gaskets. If iirc it had cost ~$100 for Turtle to have a set made almost 20 years ago. Thanks to @dgpmerc for reviving this old thread and bringing this issue back to the forefront. My bike's PO had mention chasing leaks at the headers crossover and replaced the gaskets prior of the sale and told me what a pita it is to remove and re-install the whole exhaust system to replace these gaskets. These shims should solve the leaky/floppy crossover problems and maybe make re-assembly easier and at least more permanent.

Newly purchased 2012 Stelvio home with me now. Bought new by PO in 2014 from local Guzzi dealer in in Canada. His wife worked there as saleperson and it has been serviced there until they closed up shop. 7k miles, very nice shape and true to form it seems with every bike I buy, original rubber. Took almost 1 hour to get through customs since nobody there was familiar with bike imports so they had to read the regs and ask a lot of questions with others. First questions asked of me...Moto Guzzi? Is that Japanese? lol Much thanks to the forum members for answering my questions and giving me valuable info, especially Pete Roper. His information was precise and plentiful. After about 30 emails back and forth, I asked if could remove valve cover to confirm roller tappets. The manufacture date was not able to be verified on headstock because all of the stuff in the way but engine numbers were after cutoff. But Pete said only true confirmation was visual, so I asked and owner obliged. I got it for a great price. 600 miles round trip with two nights at my sister's in Seattle to break up the trip. Plus I took care of stuff at her place so she was happy to have me...especially since I fixed her bedroom pocket door that the roller came out of the plate on top of the door. One thing for sure...this bike is not going to see any dirt. I bought it for the highway and that is where it will stay. Tires and CARC bearing service, oil, filter, valve adjustment and fresh non-E gas is on the menu.

Yes, that's why I put the title of the listing in quotes, because that does not appear to be a Magni fairing. The fairing in the ad is probably one of the other various fairings we've seen put on V11s, but not a Magni. Here is a photo of a forum member's (jtucker) silver V11 Sport with a Magni, and you can see the clear difference in proportion and form. The Magni looks much better in my opinion than the fairing that is on the V11 in the eBay listing, which is very bulky.

Good heavens @docc, you draw faster than your shadow! I had meant to post earlier that I found a cheaper source for the PC 782 relays: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/picker-components/PC782-1C-12S-R-X/12352866 Sorry I couldn’t catch you in time before you pulled the trigger. I’m thinking of changing my screen name to “Slowtoad”... It’s all for a worthy cause though, I’ll be curious to hear what you find out..

Mini and micro relays have different form factors with different pin layout and are not interchangeable. Resistors and diodes have the same basic fonction, resistors are more durable and the preferred choice in automotive applications.

Topic closed. If you want info on the bike, please send the OP a pm

"Answered" post edited, once again, to keep current sources on High Current relays for V11 applications.

That is my understanding!

Guzzis have a soul, Hondas have a chain... Not to mention better looking!

I hope you find that helpful sourcing a German-made High Current micro relay for our application . . .

Thanks, docc. I think it did. That it is an ISO standard had started to dawn on me. The problem with that is, as with DIN, most sources one can easily find are trying to sell a copy of the standard rather than just explain it. Anyway, I found this: https://www.e-hack.de/der-grosse-kfz-relais-ratgeber/#Anschluss_Layouts The document as a whole seems very useful (for those who can read German... ), and the paragraph that the link leads to seems to me to be the critical point. Having a look under the seat should settle the question whether we're dealing with Type A or Type B. For those who might wish to translate the document, I would recommend trying https://www.deepl.com/translator In my experience, that site delivers much more sensible results than that useless google thing. For the record, it looks like the ISO standard is ISO 7588-1:1998-09. That is based on searching and seeing what repeatedly crops up. Might be wrong, though.

I don't believe there were any changes to the v11 Lemans fairings and supporting framework for the entire run, but one would need to check the parts diagrams for each year to be certain. That being said, I suspect any would work if you were to get the entire assembly from one bike. Not that any of the following is completely helpful with your exact question, but I was just Goggling around about that "Coppa Lemans"/"CoppaMans" about a week ago out of curiosity, and it appears that more than one conversion may have been done or considered. So the links below may be interesting. There were some links to other forums from some of the threads here, but those are apparently dead now. The fellow ( manuelbig ) that did his was a member here for a while, and although he has been inactive since 2012, Jaap may have his email. If so you could reach out to him to see what he remembers about the conversion and any lessons learned. https://www.v11lemans.com/forums/profile/9233-manuelbig/

G'day folk's Well life has conspired to keep me off the green one for the last 6 bloody weeks.....Argghhh! Finally, an opportunity arose to get a ride in turned up when asked to help out at our Dandenong branch last week.So not only did I eagerly volunteer, I didn't give a flying fornication what the weather was going to do or even if it snowed on Friday.... I'm taking the bike! So up a wee bit earlier in case of trouble starting her,I'm togged up and ready to go at 5 am. Ha ha no sign of any snow and a nice cool morning! Hit the starter and bingo she fires right up! I expected some bother after 6 weeks but warmed her up well as I normally do and pulled out the driveway and through town to the Freeway on ramp.Just as I feed in the power to get up to speed, she just loses all power and dies! So Brrrr Brrrrr over to the side of the road and what the....I turn everything off and try to re-start but all I get is d,d d, d,d d, d,d,d and no go! Weird and just as I'm about to get off and call the wife I thought I'd flick the kill switch a couple of times and try again.BINGO she fires up! Great so off to the servo for gas and she won't fire up again! Another flick of the kill switch and she fires up...Phew! I decide I'll keep going but she's running ok but just not quite right.Can't put my finger on it but give her a bit of the ole Italian tune up a few times when I'm certain Mr Plod's not looking and by about 50 or so Kay's she's coming good! By the time I get off the freeway at the other end she's back to her old self again! She stalled when warming up after work but quickly back to normal and I had a so so ride home. It was only due to traffic on a Friday arvo of a long weekend but I did enjoy a few brief clear patches. After that wee taste I decided I'd take the bike again Saturday to see Dad after we'd done the weekly shopping. She fired up ok but I think she took a little bit longer to warm up and idle ?? Not sure but she was all good on leaving the servo again. Now about this time the cloudy overcast morning gives way to a bright and sunny clear 20 degree wind free day and I hit the brilliant twisty bits between Drouin and Lang Lang! Both of us ( me and the bike ) are running well and we have the road to ourselves....! It was just one of those rides where everything goes just right and made even more enjoyable as it'd been too long ! I was babbling away about it for ages when I got to Dad's but my brother's an ex- rider and knew what I was on about! I could see the wistful look in his eyes and left the subject alone from there. Twas a great catch up but more of the same lay ahead on the way home again.I didn't quite have the road to myself this time round but we still had a bloody great ride home. I'm sure as hell not leaving her sitting idle for six weeks again! ( touch wood ). Cheers Guzzler

@doccYou are right when you say: But with all due respect, I think you got the energizing of the relays arse about. Let us look at the schematic and those 2 relays in question, we agree that the top one #49, is the ECU relay(#4) and the bottom one #46 is the EFI relay(#5). For reference, Relay pin/terminal identification: 85 Relay Coil Negative - 86 Relay Coil Positive - 87 Common Contact - 30 Feed/ Line In Positive _ The ECU relay #4 gets triggered(pin 86) from the ignition switch via the kill switch. _ The EFI relay #5 gets triggered(pin 86) from the ECU pin #19 Fuse #2 is only protecting the EFI circuit from +12V feed coming from the battery. I don't pretend to be 100% correct but that's what I see.

G'day fellas Yeah, the 3 minute warm up may be a hangover from the previous mapping? She'd splutter a bit and didn't want to accept much throttle unless warmed up just so, but still reckon she likes a decent warm up all the same. Cheers Guzzler Ps I still give her about 20kays before any serious throttle but might just try less warming up before moving off and see how that goes...

Looking at the electrical schematic, relay #4 supplies power to the ECU and in turn the ECU triggers(control?) relay #5 to power ignition, injectors & fuel pump. Note that relay #4 is already protected by an external diode. Dang, we need @Kiwi_Roy in-fused science to bring us the light!

Thanks. In the meantime I had a look at this again: https://www.e-hack.de/der-grosse-kfz-relais-ratgeber/ which actually answers both question. Nevertheless, it's good to have the information here, I reckon. That document says the same thing. It goes on to explain that the function is to damp the Voltage peak that is generated by the collapsing magnetic field in the coil when the activating current is turned off. Resistors don't work as well for that, but don't care which way round the activating current is connected, i.e. if the positive is on contact 85 or on 86, because a resistor doesn't care which way the current flows through it. A diode does, so if it is a relay with a diode, it has to be ensured that the +12V that activates the switching coil is connected to 86 (and 85 to earth / battery minus). The reason for damping the voltage peak is to protect any sensitive electronics that might be controlling the activating current, so not really an issue when the activating current is being controlled by a mechanical switch.

Those photos don't do the fairing justice. Too wide-angle. There are better pictures on the Magni site: http://www.magni.it/v11_fairing.htm I think the fairing looks rather good.

Indeed they can. I've got an MXS 3.8 and an MXS 5.0 from this mob. https://www.ctek.com/de/batterieladegerat-12v-24v/fahrzeugtyp/motorrad/motorradladegerät No fluffing around, just connect it to the battery and wait until all the lights are on. If the bike is going to stand around for a while (weeks, months...) just leave it connected.

As an aside, Jeff Beck was one of my favorite guitar player; sadly, he decided to ride his Moto Guzzi Keihins equipped away from earth.

eBay: "2000 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport with Magni fairing." P.S. I don't think this is a Magni fairing, but not sure what type it is. VIN: zgukrakr5ym112939 Mileage: 22000 NOTE: This V11 Sport has the now unobtanium Motratech foot peg relocation kit. https://www.ebay.com/itm/204273334421?hash=item2f8fa3b895

and somehow, the older one gets, the shorter the weeks get.

G'day folk's Scuroo, I reckon you're right there mate with the battery being weak and just had enough to fire her up and run for a wee bit. Add in I always warm her up for 3 or so minutes before I ride off too, so add this time running under 3 k and battery not charging plus we have headlights wired on always here and there's another drain! The freeway is only about 1 maybe 2 kays from my driveway and this was when she died when I tried to accelerate on to it. I'm going to ride her a fair bit over the next week and get a decent charge into the battery again as don't have a trickle charger. Never needed one as I do ride year round. It's never been an issue before in that before Covid I'd always take the bike into the office once a week rain hail or shine but since working from home last 3 years I've missed that and then you get caught up with other things in life and bingo there goes six bloody weeks! Long story short she won't ever sit idle like that again! Cheers Guzzler

Thanks for that. What I also found, which explains the apparently random numbers on the contacts of the relays, is that that they are defined in a DIN Norm (Deutsche Industrienorm = German industry standard). Here is a listing: http://www.elektron-bbs.de/verkehr/klemmen.htm and a Wiki article: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klemmenbezeichnung#Liste_der_Klemmenbezeichnungen_in_Kfz_und_ihrer_Bedeutung no, wait, I found it in English! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_72552

I see relay "Form" classified A,B, C, D, yet "Type" classified by pole/throw: SPST, SPDT, DPST, DPDT https://www.electricaltechnology.org/2018/12/what-is-relay-different-types-of-relays-its-operation-applications.html When searching for a suitable High Current Relay for the V11 application, these two datasheets can be used as standards: https://omronfs.omron.com/en_US/ecb/products/pdf/en-g8he.pdf (OMRON G8HE) https://www.onlinecomponents.com/en/datasheet/a11csq12vdc15r-51176058/ (CIT High Current micro relay)

Spec Showdown: Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello Vs. Honda NT1100 A slugfest for sport-touring supremacy. https://www.rideapart.com/news/656712/spec-showdown-motoguzziv100mandello-vs-hondant1100/

Looks to be an ISO (International Standards Organization) configuration: "micro ISO / plug-in ISO terminal " If this gets you started, realize the biggest challenge is to verify the rated continuous current for both the NC and NO contacts. Datasheets are, unfortuneately not standardized.

@Scura R I've sent you ManuelBig email address

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Any brand lubricant of your choice.

The way the headlamp and instruments are mounted to the Scura-R is the same as the frame mounted set-up of the Café Sport, Coppa Italia, and Ballabio. Other than the matter of mounting the LeMans fairing and mating up to the headlamp/instruments, I wonder about clearance for the handlebars (versus the LeMans' clip-ons) . . .

Nice. Have fun with it.

This also happens when the battery is near completely drained (especially Lithium) - seems it can expend the last bit of energy starting engine & runs for a bit but the ECU can go brain dead & not have enough synaptic connections to make any decisions! Dies Like a shot of Floradix tonic - give battery a charge

So, you left your Italian mistress to languish and then, when you finally take out for a dance, she steps on your toes a couple times to make you remember? Could be worse. She might "stab you for no reason at all" . . .

the one disadvantage of having "replies" in classifieds.

A man can get lucky every once in a while.

https://www.motociclismo.it/guzzi-che-altro-moto-54327

Water? It could well have been intended for use as a beer pump. As to Hondas, here is the nicest CX cafe I have seen. 53 Motorcycles in the UK.

I guess we have been dancing around the problem and that is what is a good Relay to replace the Omron Relay G8HN-1C2T-R DC12? And where would be the best place to purchase said Relay?

Here shown photos my green hopper.