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This is exactly what MPH said to me. You will spend less money getting one that runs already. What about the "pride" feel that you did it "all by myself"!? is that worth nothing any more? I am not very familiar with the BMW's, it was just the opportunity to get one a few hundred feet from where I live, and getting a tool box together. And of course, you are right, rebuilding a sorry bike always turns out to be more expensive than buying a running one. The clincher is time. I just don't have enough time to dedicate myself to it. It was a good excuse to test my faded skills.
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Yes, you stopped me from making a mistake. I think the BMW was just an excuse to start setting my garage into a workshop. Obviously, a project of this magnitude would have been a good reason to fight the good battle to get it. Come to think of it, my MG has spent more time immobilized than on the tarmac. So I should start with that before I venture and lose myself somewhere else.
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The philosophical thinking is to actually have a side project, besides riding my MG which I do, but so far, I have been restrained in my distance endeavors. I think there is some reward in giving a second life to something that has been neglected. I do not have access to unlimited funds. But after reading all the comments, including the first impression from MPH Houston, I think I am going to side with you. I have been back in the motorcycle riding world only very recently, and it seems that the lyricism procured from my Le Mans got me carried away. I was dreaming to be the savior... After looking at it with new eyes, including the comments on this page, I am going to curb my enthusiasm... I feel bad to have been deterred so easily though; but on second thought, I agree with your assessment.
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This sorry looking R90/6 has been sitting outside in the rain for a while, and since it is on my street and it was not always there, I stopped by and inquired. This was a gift bike. There is no title and I was told it was indeed for sale, but they did not have a price for it yet. The guy I spoke to said he would have to get a tittle bond, which I am not familiar with. As I was picking up my Le Mans from the shop today, I asked for advice and what I got was not very encouraging. The recommendation I got was to purchase a bike in running state as these project bikes can end up costing a fortune. Especially when you do not have any kind of history. The seller said he would give me a call during the week to give me a price. I think this bike is a 1976, because of the brake levers' shape. The 1974 had a very pronounced dog leg. As you can see, many accessories are missing, and my Guzzi shop which work on old bikes too said I should pay no more than $400 for a bike in that kind of shape. I was told the tank and seat could be had for under $1000, however the bike may need a lot more than just what is obviously missing. I assume it has 105914 miles on the odometer. My main issue is that I do not have any tools to work on it. I would have to purchase everything, including a stand. I know my way around mechanical things, my main worry is to source BMW parts in the USA. I already had a little taste with my Guzzi. Replacing the handlebar weight on the right hand side took one month. And the one I got is not painted. I am aware we are in the Guzzisti V11 garden here, but maybe some of you have more experience than me in restoring old motorcycles. I am not trying to make it look like new. I just would like to make it running again, so I could use it side by side with my Le Mans. Anybody can confirm the year? NADA says a running R90/6 of 1976 in fair condition should be priced at $1795. Should a 400/500ish offer be insulting? what do you think? stick to the Le Mans only? leave this one to the flippers?
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I have found the actual manufacturer of "C.E.V." "Fratelli Pagani" in Milan Italy. C.E.V. stands for: Costruzioni Elettromeccaniche Venegonesi. They no longer exist under that name. They manufactured a lot of accessories for motorcycles, including electrical components. As you can read in the schematics I posted below, you could purchase the wiring for your motorcycle ready to be installed. I am guessing I.T.I. may also be a brand from one of these defunct Italian companies. Although I have not yet been able to associate it with any known Italian company.
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Where does it say ITI on your gauge? on my hUR/ITI, the "ITI made in Italy" was embossed on the back of the (cheap) plastic container. Before finding Joel Levine, I was in contact with an Italian shop that does the same thing as Joel, and they told me "ITI" was only manufacturing the container, the actual mechanism was from either Korea or Japan. I combed the Italian Moto-Guzzi forums, and tried to find an Italian company with an ITI brand name, did not. hUR and CEV in your case, may have been only doing the face plate's serigraph printing.
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And the final B4/After.... The odometer now works, the partial resets to zero.... I have been using an App to monitor my mileage while the Odometer was not working. I will make a separate thread about it, since it is "free" and does not involve monitoring you via the GPS function of your media. So it is not as accurate as a GPS, but it is very lenient on battery consumption. You have the ability to adjust the mileage if you want to; either by entering it manually, or to retroactively pick the route you followed using google maps. I used that app to check for the accuracy of the Odometer, and it came that the mileage as read by the ITI/hUR was 0.1 mile short of the total reported by the app. Of course, it was a short distance, so I have to see what it does on longer trips.
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Your business card says you are located in Los Angeles. Providing you do not see a lot of rain, and I would have thought Texas would have also qualified but it has been raining non stop last week, today too... I would instead of the Road 5 go for the Power RS; if you are in a hot environment almost all year long, look no further... it is like being glued to the road, and the feel is just incredible... The front tire will last about 6000 miles and the rear 4500 miles off track... so not much longevity, but once you try them, you will understand what I mean. Check out the presentation of the Power RS by STG; here's the link! Main issue seems to be availability. I checked a few websites, and they are all out of stock. At some point, I will install them on my Le Mans.
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I received the fixed ITIhUR Speed/Odometer today @2:00 pm. The gauge has a partial trip reset knob too. I can see the mileage read 8866.4, from the previous reading at 8865; I will report back once more when the gauge is back in place. The three pics below shows the Speedo/Odometer before, and after Joel Levine's divine intervention. If I take into consideration the shipping to and from into the price, the total tag is $400. You may construe this as "expensive", but if you consider the service, it is not.
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I am not certain I understand what you meant. As far as I know, he is returning me the gauge I shipped. Although it could be possible that he has a stock of already fixed instruments, so he only swaps the internals and ship back the container? Is this what you implied in the message above? I will be able to verify, since I have pictures of the serial number of the gauge I sent.
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I liked the sound, however on the long run, it is tiring. I wore ear plugs on long distance trips.
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They are Staintune, made in Australia. Confirmed. I could not confirm before I got the bike home. The DB killers are not in though, that's why the bike sounds loud. Staintune has been purchased unfortunately.
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So, I guess I should post a little follow-up on my 2004 Guzzi Le Mans purchase; I flew to Pensacola on March 16th, to ride the bike home. Unfortunately, I made an unpleasant discovery: the odometer was stuck at 8865 miles. I chose to play it safe and returned to the dealership. It turned out they had never ridden it. They were unaware of the issue. So much for all the emails from the sales guy telling me the bike was fit to make the trip to H'town... I decided to fly back to Houston, and to get the bike shipped instead. At this point, I had lost confidence in what I was told. To be fair, the manager apologized, and based on that experience, they would never take another consignment bike from anybody. They shipped the bike to my door at no extra cost. But I only got it on April 17th... Here it is, the very day after it was delivered to me: The bike has been fully checked by MPH Cycles in Houston, and according to them, the mileage is consistent with the bike's inspection. The only consumables that had to be replaced were the battery and the rear brake pads. All the rest was fine. I am now in the process of fixing the odometer, and it is on its way to Joel Levine Inc in Georgia. There is topic about it. I am also registered for the Motorcycle Grand Tour of Texas, so I have done two of the stops. I use the "TripLog" application to keep track of my mileage. It works fairly well, does not consume your battery since you only enter the start, and the end. And because I only do the "manual start", it is free of subscription. I will keep using it even after my Odometer gets fixed. I have done about 400 miles since I got the bike. But I am not riding it until my Odometer is back. The feeling is fantastic. I am back in the 70's when I was just taking my bike and riding with no destination. Just the pleasure to ride a motorcycle.
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Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Joel Levine Inc.; I am making a separate thread because his credentials were buried in a different post. Credit to LowRyter for sharing the address in the first place. I wanted this ITI odometer repair option to have its own thread for visibility purpose. Like many other owners of Moto Guzzi V11, my ITI/hUR odometer had stopped working at 8865 miles. As we all know, the instruments installed by Moto Guzzi on these V11 always were failure prone. Starting with the Veglia, and thereafter the ITI/hUR. By the way, after making contact with a specialist shop in Italy, they said the actual metering part of the gauge was made in Korea or Japan. Only the container that bears the name ITI was made in Italy. The guy that fixes these instruments here in the USA gets its parts from Japan. Maybe hUR is a Japanese company after all. So, here's included the message from Joel Levine Inc. from La Fayette in Georgia. This is an alternative to either purchasing a failure prone replacement Speedo/Odometer cluster, which are found on eBay (as I type this) for about USD 700, or the SpeedHut alternative which is well documented in its dedicated thread.
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I also ran into the ITI/hUR top quality syndrome. My odometer was dead on arrival! stuck on the same mileage for ever. After getting the Speedo/Odo out of the bike, I opened it to check the root cause of the issue, and what could have caused it. The worm screw that drives both the Speedo and the Odometer slowly ground itself until the thread was completely stripped. My explanation, and you are welcome to challenge it, is that the cheap design and build made for no adjustment of the intersect angle between the worm screw and the driven axle as seen on the pictures. The assembly is held together by cold clamping the instrument chassis. But thanks to LowRyter's tip, it appears I have a working repair solution now... So for those of you who run into the ITI/hUR stripped worm screw, here's one option, the email below is dated stamped today, May 13th, 2021.
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Since you brought it, I have noticed a significant difference with the motorcycling gear providers in the USA. When you check the popular sites, the search engines are limited to the recent bikes. Or, for those that do have a Moto Guzzi V11 configuration, the returned list is empty. One of the web site I used when I was in Europe has a search engine that can be configured to Moto Guzzi V11 Sport, including the year. Here's the returned list for Moto Guzzi V11 Sport year 2004; This is useful to check the references and find the equivalent in your local market. You could also order online; the prices shown include VAT, so if you live outside EUR, they remove the TVA which is 20% at the time I type this. Unfortunately, the EUR to USD rate is around 1.20ish. Still it is a good alternative if you are looking for something that you cannot find where you live.