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I don't know for sure if it was "all 15M ECUs", but I've got one of them in my V11 Le Mans, built in 2002. As has been mentioned above, I believe the workshop manual lists the ECU type. What I have gathered is: It will be either a 15M or a 15RC. The breakpoint was 2002 or 2003, as far as I have been able to establish. Mine has a paper sticker on it that says "Le Mans 2002". I was told by a very reliable source that ECUs were used that had been initally installed in a California model and were recalled on warranty because they were not correctly programmed. These were re-programmed in the factory and installed in V11 models. Under the paper sticker, when it is carefully and completely removed, the original "California" designation should be visible. As an aside, my 2005 Breva 750 has a 15RC ECU, and the designation on it is, I believe, printed directly onto the housing and not on a sticker. If not that, it is a plastic sticker. So the remains of a paper sticker indicate a 15M. As far as I know, all the models with 15RC ECUs have a Lamda sensor. If there is no Lamda sensor in the exhaust, it must be a 15M. Guzzidiag shows the ECU designation on the screen in large script on the bottom left of the screen. Connect it up, and there will be no doubt.

It's a long story... My first road bike was a Suzuki GSX 250 E. Japanese reliabilty, but not all that exciting. Whilst I was still riding that, I saw a V 50 Monza, and was stunned at how good it looked. My second bike in Melbourne was a 1976 Z 900. I loved it. Beautiful, comprimised handling, and a great motor. I developed the attitude with that bike, that I'd rather have something that required riding skills than something that anyone can be resonably fast on. I have a clear memory from that time of seeing someone ride past through a long, sweeping curve on a Guzzi, probably a Le Mans or Le Mans II, and thinking "that sounds great". I wrote up a list once, about 35 years ago, of all the bikes I had ridden. Some of the rides were very short, and some of the bikes very boring, but I think I topped 100 different bikes. Whilst I had the Z 900, I shared a house with a mate who had an 850 Le Mans III. Just as beautiful as the V 50 Monza. I was able to ride it a number of times. The clutch was heavy, I repeatedly banged my left knee on the the cylinder, and the seat was about as comfortable as a wooden plank. Riding it, I noticed how often people in cars at the traffic lights were staring at the bike in wonder. And then, outside of town after a series of curves at about 130km/h, how I had completely forgotten about the heavy clutch, the bruises on the left knee, and the unforgiving seat. I thought "ahhhh, that's what it's for...". On top of that, when one blipped the throttle, it kicked to the side a bit. Like it was saying "come on, let's go". And it was deceptively fast. Sovereign, one could say. Sometime after I moved to Munich in Germany, I saw a V35 Imola (looks identical to the V 50 Monza...) on the street just up from where I lived. I thought at the time "no, probably not enough power", but still thought it was beautiful. About 10 years later, a V35 Imola was the first Guzzi that I bought. It hadn't been ridden for around 19 years. I pulled it apart, cleaned it up, and got it registered. And loved it from the first moment on. The V11 Le Mans was a considered decision. I had had a Kawasaki GTR 1000 for a number of years, but the reasons for having it were no longer all that relevant (long distances on the Autobahn on the way to a job with lots of luggage), and I was starting to think in terms of "if not now, when? It might be too late...". I'm still not convinced about the looks of the V11 (Blasphemy!!!), but the package looked good. I thought it might offer all the fascination of the the Le Mans III that my mate had back in the day, but work better. I was right. I loved it from the first minute I rode it. In the meantime I have also acquired a low mileage Breva 750IE. A boring bike on paper, but I wanted something that was "new" enough, in as much as one can call a 20 year old bike "new", that it would just work without having to be constantly worrying about what might be about to break. I've done about 2,000 km. on it up to now, and I've become very fond of it. Ugly, although it's growing on me, but really nice to ride. What fascinates me is that all three of them have the same character. The big blocks and the small blocks have practically nothing in common apart from the basic 90° twin configuration, but they still feel the same somehow. I've still got a GTR 1000, but it will be sold sometime in the near future. I'm not sure that I wont miss having an in-line four, but I'm willing to take the chance. The Guzzis are staying.

Yes. Not even sometimes. Mostly.

My late brother-in-law had a theory: everyone who wants a driving licence for a car should have to ride a motorcycle for at least a year before being allowed to drive a car. That would ensure that the really stupid ones would cease to be a problem. The "Darwin" principle, so to speak... I can't say that I would be for that, but he had a point. I often think about whether we were more stupid than the the idiots these days. I'm not sure if anything has really changed in the mindset. The bigger problem is that the bikes these days are so much faster. Riding flat knacker in the early '80s (my time...) was just not as silly as riding flat knacker on a modern sports bike. I've been here a couple of times https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/51.3959/11.0761 Kelbra, at the north end, is a fairly pleasant ride, just over an hour, from Leipzig, and the squiggly bit from Kelbra to Bad Frankenhausen is really good fun. There is a cafe at the Kelbra end http://www.cafe36-online.de/ All very nice, but one really doesn't want to be there on a weekend. Overrun from maniacs, and one can't help thinking "did they all leave their brain at home?" However, in "my" time I was in Melbourne. The meeting point was the Yarra Boulevard (has been mentioned here already...) https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-37.7957/145.0187 We used that bit of road, in "the middle of town", as a race track. I heard that one bloke lost it in the curve south of the freeway, and his bike went over the railing of the bridge and landed on the freeway. One bloke I met there a few times had a Suzuki GSX 1100 S Katana. One time he was complaining that he had skinned his knee because he got the knee down in the corner and he was only wearing jeans. Another story was someone that got t-boned as he went to do a u-turn from the curb and didn't see the bloke that was coming past. Madness, with the only difference that the bikes weren't as fast as the ones these days. The irony of fate: For years, decades even, I have always told young riders and prospective pillions "whatever you do, always wear an appropriate jacket, boots, and GLOVES!!! Imagine how awkward it would be if you couldn't wipe your own arse for a couple of weeks. When I had *my* accident about 5 years ago, after about 35 years of motorcycling, guess what happened. Right forefinger left wrist left hand and a damaged vertebra that was fortunately stabile. It was only a week or so before I could look after myself, but still...

EInstein figured that out in about 1905. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation So you've got a clock that is mounted to a massive body, the Guzzi, that moves at incredible speed when you are riding. Any wonder the clock slows down... Seriously though, thanks for the report on the instruments.

Thanks docc. @cash1000 : I would strongly recommend checking all those points that I mentioned when you get home. Given that the problem was apparently caused by washing the bike, I reckon you might have a latent problem that bears the potential to cause the bike to go on strike should you get caught in the rain on a ride. I don't know about you, but I'm not all that keen on that sort of funny buggers.

I don't know for sure, but just had a quick look at the circuit diagram. It seems that the fuel pump gets its power from the ECU, so the ECU needs to be getting power (as far as I can tell at a quick glance). Looking at this sketch that I "extracted" from the circuit diagram: The ECU Relay gets its activating current from the same circuit as the relay that activates the starter motor, but before the starter switch and clutch switch. Assuming that yours is the same in that respect as mine, I would check that the kill switch isn't turned off then look at the side stand switch and neutral switch, and the relay that the neutral switch closes (the third relay, i.e. the one in the middle). And the ECU relay itself. That should be the fourth from the front, I believe. I hope you make it to the rally. The Tattly Rappit is famous... EDIT: I just noticed that this topic was posted twice, and in the other iteration you have already written that the bike is going again. Have fun at the rally.

Thanks, that's about what I expected.

Another PS: I had written another post, but it got lost in the ether because my internet connection broke as I sent it. The gist of it was, that the bluetooth connection seems to be between the T800 device and the mobile telephone, and perhaps the dashboard. The T800 device itself is apparently connected to the ECU via a conventional OBD adapter, as is Guzzidiag and co. On the basis of this assumption, I doubt very much that a theoretical version for the V11 models would be able to show things like vehicle speed and gear changes. The more modern models listed in the compatibility lists have dashboards which collect that information, and have a bluetooth capability which is used by the aforementioned MIA application. The V11 models simply don't have bluetooth capabilitly in that regard. Further to that, I seems that the possibility to download and save the existing map before a new one is installed is not available. That would be a prerequisite for me personally, and if that is not possible, I would stick with the IAW reader and writer programmes.

I translated that, as I unfortunately don't speak Italian: So they're working on it, but I don't have great hopes that they will get around to the 20-odd year old V11 models any time soon. PS: it occurs to me that they may be exploiting the Moto Guzzi MIA functionality (and its equivalent for other manufactureres) to read out things like revs and gear changes. That is, however, communication with the dashboard, as far as I understand it, and not the ECU itself. Anyway, we'll no doubt see how the product developes, and how successful it will be.

I'm quite sure they're not.

Do I want that? L NO!! et me think about that for a minute...

I rather suspect that it never will be. A quick glance at the site indicates that they are all about selling maps that they have made, so the "T-800" interface is likely more equivalent to the the IAW Writer tool than to Guzzidiag. If they are (only) interested in selling maps, I don't expect their tool will ever be able to do more than write to the ECU. I hope they haven't pinched the code for the thing from Beard....

I had to go looking to find out what that is. Did Randy actually ride in the Boxer Cup, or did they just use his name? Whatever, I'd be interested in your impressions in comparison to the V11 Le Mans. It seems to me, they are "natural competitors". Similar figures, similar date of birth... Not that I would ever consider buying a BMW. I'm just curious...

Why does that cause me to think of professional bicycle racing and doping?

Go for it.

Maybe docc or Jaap could just change the title of this one? This one seems to be running pretty well.

That is a truly fascinating photo.

Of course it is. Live in the belief! PS: mine is dark grey. I've got a slow one....

I don't think so, but I haven't looked into the pricing on new vehicles for years, as I'll probably never be able to afford one.