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A couple of questions have cropped up: I gather "mini" and "micro" relays use the same socket form. Can anyone confirm that (to save me studying numerous diagramms...)? I notice that some relays have a resistor parallel to the switching coil, and some a diode. Das anyone know what that is good for?

Indeed they can. I've got an MXS 3.8 and an MXS 5.0 from this mob. https://www.ctek.com/de/batterieladegerat-12v-24v/fahrzeugtyp/motorrad/motorradladegerät No fluffing around, just connect it to the battery and wait until all the lights are on. If the bike is going to stand around for a while (weeks, months...) just leave it connected.

I got a message over a German forum recommending a Hella relay, with the comment that one thing that makes it suitable is the "Bauhöhe", i.e. how high the thing physically is. The Hella is apparently relatively low-profile. I wont post the specific model until I have had a look at a few spec sheets to see how it compares. Having said that, the bloke that the information came form is definitely well informed, and an experienced professional Guzzi Mechanic. He also commented that the relays are "Verschleissteile", i.e. things that wear out during normal usage, and should be renewed as a matter of course every few years.

and somehow, the older one gets, the shorter the weeks get.

Thanks for that. What I also found, which explains the apparently random numbers on the contacts of the relays, is that that they are defined in a DIN Norm (Deutsche Industrienorm = German industry standard). Here is a listing: http://www.elektron-bbs.de/verkehr/klemmen.htm and a Wiki article: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klemmenbezeichnung#Liste_der_Klemmenbezeichnungen_in_Kfz_und_ihrer_Bedeutung no, wait, I found it in English! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_72552

Nice article, but everyone knows that a Guzzi is better than a Honda, don't they?

Thanks, docc. I think it did. That it is an ISO standard had started to dawn on me. The problem with that is, as with DIN, most sources one can easily find are trying to sell a copy of the standard rather than just explain it. Anyway, I found this: https://www.e-hack.de/der-grosse-kfz-relais-ratgeber/#Anschluss_Layouts The document as a whole seems very useful (for those who can read German... ), and the paragraph that the link leads to seems to me to be the critical point. Having a look under the seat should settle the question whether we're dealing with Type A or Type B. For those who might wish to translate the document, I would recommend trying https://www.deepl.com/translator In my experience, that site delivers much more sensible results than that useless google thing. For the record, it looks like the ISO standard is ISO 7588-1:1998-09. That is based on searching and seeing what repeatedly crops up. Might be wrong, though.

I think this is the best place for this. I haven't read the whole thread, so if the answer is in there somewhere, a link would do. I have been trying to find out how the shape and size of the socket for the relay is defined, and by whom. The reason for the search is that I'm a bit interested in finding a source or sources in Europe, better Germany, for an appropriate Relay, i.e. a 5-Pole that I could put in all positions, and maybe also use as a relay for power to the starter motor solenoid. I haven't had a look under the seat yet, but I do know that there is such a thing as a "standard" automobile relay socket. So the questions: Is the socket in all possible cases always the same, i.e. standarised? Which standard does it adhere to, and who defined the standard? Is the standard one that is the same in severals countries (DIN, EC, ASA, whatever...)? Does anyone happen to have a link to a document that describes the standardised socket? I've found a couple of sources with nice diagramms including dimensions for everything, but without knowing the dimensions for the socket, that is not very helpful.

I don't think they are that interested in the "old gaurd". There's no money to be made on someone who is riding a bike that is 20 years old or more. Piaggio wants to profit from the tradition, that is clear, but on their terms I think. Tight control of the brand name, fashionable accessories only from them directly, and so on. They want to sell the new models, not to help keep patching up the old ones.

Indeed I am.

Nice. Have fun with it.

On the contrary, I suspect it is "cleaning up" after a couple of decades of no-one paying much attention to such matters in the time pre-Piaggio. An optimistic view is, that they (Piaggio) are serious about the Moto Guzzi brand, and are clearing the decks for the long haul.

It's that, and it is a very big corporation that makes millions of scooters and a couple of thousand Moto Guzzis per year. Someone in a suit contracted a lawer's practice to look for "infringements" on the net. No-one is looking to see if the "infringement" is really detrimental to the Moto Guzzi image or not.

Bugger indeed. But mate, I bought mine in December, and still haven't ridden more than about 120 km. . I think spring is starting to spring here, but it's still going to be another two weeks at least before it gets good. I hope you get a good winter with regular sunny days where you can ride a bit.

I don't know for sure either, but the blokes who developed Guzzidiag refer to that program as well. I suspect you are right in your assumption.

or, if it wont, do you have a similar Program to read out your ECU?

It looks like he supplies some kind of analysis program. I guess one would have to contact him and ask. https://www.myecu.biz/MyECU/index.htm

I enjoyed the article. It looks like some actual research went into it.

Reads out the engine managemant system. I haven't used it yet, but it is a pretty cool thing. I believe it should be able to read out an 1100 Sport i.e., but I'm not 100% sure. This bloke knows a lot about it: https://www.v11lemans.com/forums/profile/136-paul-minnaert/

Hmmm, sounds like the owner is not healthy or something. Good for the buyer, maybe, but a bit sad.

In my experience (nearly 40 years as a sound technician), any electrical circuit, and anything electronic, can have intermittent problems.

It mentions ABE / Teilegutachten on the first page. Under "FAQ Drosselsatz", the first point is "Weshalb benötige ich ein TÜV Gutachten?". Looks like the paperwork is available. They limit it to a frame number range, though. Hope it works out for you.

Have fun.

Yes, of course. But I've got a bit of an eye on the market here. He can't realistically expect to get that sort of money for that bike here.

I just found another one: https://www.road-race-service.de/product-437.html I know absolutely nothing about that vendor. Just stumbled across the site whilst looking for a screen for my V35 Imola. Hens teeth are easier....