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I also understood that they offer no datalogging. They just say "with a laptop you can log 9h in one file" Probably that's the number of available excel cells. Hubert

Yes, and also this statement makes me wonder: 'When using Analog Wideband Output make sure your favorite engine management system is compatible with the AFR/V' I think their system should be adaptable to the ECUs, not the ECUs to this unit. Hubert

That's where the real disaster began. The first thing the former owner, this ever smiling Ivano Beggio, did was selling the whole plant and grounds to dunno who to get money for. So the whole factory and ground does not belong to Moto Guzzi any longer, it's just rented. Maybe someone can jump in who knows how long. I think 'till 2007. Probably they wont construct new buildings on this ground. Hubert

I somehow expected something like this. I can't understand all the words you above have written, but believe me I didn't want to become too intimate or personal with this statement. When I watch environmental discussions over here it's more or less the same as what I could read in this long list of how much more a car needs with the alternativ fuel and so in the end it costs more. A lot of people now have sun collectors on their roofs, and always there are still other people who ask: do you think you could save money with it? It was expensive, wasn't it? To become totaly offtopic: we have fridges categorised in how much energy they need. A is very good, E I think is the worst. I have a colleague who told me that it makes more sense to buy a cheap class E item and to throw it away every four years because this would cost less as what he could save energy in this four years with the A fridge. This is what I call poor people! And he is an engineer, making at least 3000,- euros per month. Thx for your patience! Hubert

Only the poorest think money makes the world go 'round Hubert

Paul lately posted this: http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php This looked very interesting for me. Probably I'll buy one also. Hubert

I found something that could help. Eventually more under http://www.evoluzione.net/ It's some formulas and a rough instruction how do mod the existing regulator with some parts once sold by evoluzione cyclesports. Hubert Adjustable Pressure Regulator

You have to increase the CR remarkably to get usable results. The inherent energy of ethanol is much lower than that of petrol, that's the main issue. Anyway, I like this idea, probably most of all I've read of in these forums. Hubert

They're not adjustable, albeit once in USA was sold an adjustable unit. They are not cheap, adjustable or not! My15M can't help you if the pressure is too low. If you already have a PC, give it a try, why not. I don't think it can solve the pressure problem, but who knows. Hubert

You'll have to raise the pressure, unless you wont go beyond 6500 RPM. At least if alcohol and gas have the same viscosity. That's no question of PCIII or not, the only problem is to inject this lot of fuel during 2 cycles at higher RPMs. Raising the pressure could make idle and low rev response seriously trickier to deal with IMHO Switching to alcohol without raising remarkably the CR is what I'd call a bodge (as I have recently learned the meaning of this word). This will be not so easy. And also the spark advance could be remarkable different, as alcohol doesn't ping as easy as petrol. I'm looking also for a practical solution to raise the pressure, but all I've seen so far was quite expensive. It looks as it could become a very interesting project. So far only race engines were driven by alcohol, so why not start it on a Guzzi. Hubert

A lot will not recognise it even when you have found it. "I always thought it was a green cup, no, this blue is rubbish". Would you go back restart searching to find a green one? Don't get trapped in an endless loop.

You better just have fun with your Guzzi. Listen to her! Generations of drivers have optimised their bikes with only the feedback their back and probably the plugs have given them and probably all of them had fun with this procedure. As today there are no jets, needles and things left to play around with, people have to buy different things to find their joy. The best for me is what pleases me most. I know at least five persons personaly that would be very unhappy with the things how I have them arranged. That's only natural. One doesn't speak english, one get's nervous as soon as his engine revs over 7000, one want's his bike original and untouched, one drives Harley and one always the newest Japer. So what system or setup is better than the other? All of us are pleased with our bikes and all their components, and when we leave together we come home together. There's a life besides Guzzi and it's EFI Hubert

Well, developing a spark timing enhancement seems to be a pain in a##e, maybe that's one reason. What's a bodge? A cheating device? If so, then I have heard that probably once it was one, but the ECU OEM's shall have done something against cheaters so the concept was changed. I think it was posted somewhere on the earlier pages of the ECU-thread. If they have done something against cheaters, maybe it's just the use of eeproms. Don't get me wrong, shall read make cheating unnecessary! Hubert Ah, sorry, forgot something: if anyone's going to bin his WM15-PC, I could need one! Indeed the connectors and plugs can be used to build up new ECUs

I once thought the same way, but it can be done in a much easier way also. What if they one cycle watch what the ecu does and then one cycle later perform their own program? They let the ecu run, spy it, assign the output to nil and instead send their own signals. It works quite well I think. What I don't like is its obvious oldfashioned concept. It lacks completely any bit of 'hack'. Like some engineers act: if the fender breaks, make it heavier! That's not everybody's style. There is only one way of "tuning" that is even more funny: some of our greatest german heros/experts like e.g. Dynotech, they first open the sealed housing, unsolder the eeprom, install a cheap socket, put in another eeprom and finally try to get the housing tight again. Believe it or not! Hubert

Tuneboy and TuneEdit is a well approved and higly recommended software for Aprilia, Triumph and also Benelli ecus. You find all the features of it in detail on http://www.Tuneboy.com.au Tuneboy is now available also for weber/marelli ecus, especially the WM15, albeit still in a beta version. As described there you can read and use PCIII maps with TuneEdit. Additionally you can edit the spark advance and all the other maps the WM hosts. TuneEdit is pure software, no additional hardware, no additional plugs or connectors, no lost space, usability of all official Guzzi/Weber updates. Cannot say wether this or this is better or not. Probably a PC is a product that once the world was waiting for, talking about times when changes to the mapping could only be done via changing an eprom. Only very few people could afford to buy and use a prommer and the right software for it. But times have changed, technology develops. Nowadays ECUs are reflashable, it means you can upload the map into your computer, analyze and change it, and then you download it again into the ECU. These are the features that at least I was looking for. Hubert

Yeah, but with so much space left free under the seat you'll just not have the same feeling (Sorry, couldn't resist)

There are V11 with O2 sensor, so there should be a channel for this. I know that the WM15 delivers this data, and I hope that these can be read and stored sometimes with Tuneboy, but who knows. Hubert

Of course it is! Order it directly at www.Tuneboy.com.au or if you prefer a european source at www.tuneboy.uk. These countries run their own mail companies, the Brits even under the crown still It's a great product, but if you want something really exciting and also priceworthy then consider the My15M solution in kit form, available at Cliff Jefferies. Link Hubert

Ernst, are you sure that your EFI is set up exactly as the book says? I ask this because my 2000/Limone never was really pinging! It makes some single pings when very hot and only at the moment I open the throttle at idle, never when it runs at constant speed, regardless what load. I do not use better fuel than 98 ROZ. Hubert

The screen says "Beta", that's right, but this goes only for the WM15/WM16 ecus. For Aprilia and Triumph it's a well proofen system since quite some time. Hubert

This morning the converted map was already in my inbox. I now have at least two maps at hand that I can compare. TuneEdit allows to export the maps in Excel format, so it's no problem to compare different maps this way. Pix as soon as they're ready. Hubert

You have a window of 19.5 mV. Staying inside it the Ecu will see nothing. But what does it mean? I make an offset of 19.4 mV, the ecu is not triggered, but then when I kick the rear tire to check the pressure I provoke a 0.1 mv glitch and the ecu thinks the flaps have moved! Strange, this Luigi stuff. I mean, 19.5 mV... Hubert

Some days ago I posted some words about TuneBoy in the ECU thread, I think as an answer to one of Dave's posts. I thought it would make more sense now to start a new thread instead of overblow this ECU longrunner. I had ordered a cable and it has arrived at my house exactly after 10 days, having passed one or two ponds and at last the german customs. Quality is good, no lowtech clips and things. Price should be known here or look at TuneBoy . There is actually no info about the Guzzi version there, but you will get it from Wayne McDonald. The software is plug and play. I installed it on a Win98 laptop, connected the cable to battery and Titanium-ECU, did what the proggy told me and all went like it should. So no problems to report so far. Development is still ongoing, so actually I had to send the ecu dump to Tuneboy to become converted in a usable map. I will report how it looks when I have it back. In the meantime I can play around with a genuine V11 MY 200X map. So far it's just fun! Hubert

Thx for the CR hint. Have you already made any changes to the map or are the three graphs taken under the same conditions? Hubert

Hi Ernst, do you have any torque curves? Hubert