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No again. Not true your writing, Pete. I'm not saying Guzzi doesn't make mistakes. I am in this business. All this time I never did similar designs exactly the same way the second or even third time I came to it. Compared to the (imaginative) 100% solution you could say those designs were faulty - I see this differently . For me these Guzzi designers and engineers do a very good job, alas business is more but drawings and meetings and listening to the experienced line worker and mechanic. And this "making money" thing. I wrote, this device "makes money move at least". I well remember it . This was a bit harsh, ok. And wrong, right. This thing has nothing to do with making money, it's more a bilateral psychological device I'd better written. BTW, Mark909 wrote exactly, more or less, what I wanted to express. It's BFB being grounded, not us. Hubert

No, this is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I am not clearly seeing this engine is damaged and could let go at any time. I'm saying that the letter from Guzzi sounds reasonable. I see that this is contrary to what you said and that it is clearly pointing to your sort. Scism? I'm not saying BFG should cheat others. I'm saying he should take his bike and ride it as long as he has something left of what Guzzi calls warranty. If the engine was damaged it will fail within this time. If not, what's the problem? Hope this helps (alas I doubt) Hubert

That's one of the really strong properties of sleeve bearings: they can embed lots of "things" coming between them. And Guzzi crankshafts normaly were well hardened/nitrided. If they ever knew how to make something really good then it were the crankshafts. But hey, it's not my bike, it's not my turn to tell you to make this or that. My personal preferences need not apply to others with the same results. Hubert

Being not sacrosanct as others here I nevertheless must admit that I like his writing. To me it makes sense, good sense even. If it was an old Ducati or Laverda with roller bearings then this whole debris shit ruminated here over and over again could maybe make sense. Not for a Guzzi and not at all based on this 5 or 6 lousy pictures you've posted (not talking about their quality). Why don't you just pick up your repaired Griso at the dealer and have fun with it again? How long do you have guarantee left for it? Summer is now. I wouldn't let my bike stand at some dealer I don't know and don't trust, waiting to become examed by some expert I don't know and don't trust, fetching a dent here and a scratch there, only to loose this case and more money as soon as winter comes. You might have had really bad luck with your Guzzis, bad experiences with dealers and with the factory and so on. You won't change this, just loose another summer. Fogg them and go riding. I don't think this will really help you, it's just what I'd do if I was sweating your shoes. Don't think there will be a collective Guzzi strike. People will feel with you - maybe - and go out riding. Hubert BTW: in my Beatle and Guzzi 750 engines always lots of silvery powder could be found in the sump. Regardless how often I cleaned it. On the VW engines you could even see those rubbed off particles glitter when the oil was running out of the screw hole. They all made at least 200.000 km (not the Guzzi of course - that would have taken decades).

That's some sort of personal bad luck, I'd say. You should have come a bit earlier, like me for instance. Being here for longer than you I had the oportunity to drop a posting also in the GW thread - which is closed now. Well, you can't have everything, but for you: at least the main actors were the same. Hubert

Well, don't want to seem to conservative, but at least for me the photoshoped "Tenni" Griso posted in the Tenni section a while ago has been the most matching idea so far. THX Baldini. Hubert

Shit, pantaloni's been the wrong word. I meant something Italian for your slippers Hubert

Yes, a blocked rear wheel because of any eventual debris from the cam recall? To me this doesn't sound really likely. I'd think the same: either a fault from the dealer or another fault in the engine. Like the faulty conrod bolts on the early V11s. Hubert

No no, the bike looks stunning. It's just the pantalonis I think , in combo with the english summer trousers Hubert

Not really. If not just silly!

I agree, that's probably the best you can do. Tear it down. Completely. Then, as long as you have all the parts and bits laying around or stuffed in cans and boxes, they at least won't wear further. That's good and common standard advice, at least here. Alternatively you could just use the bike for what you've bought it: ride it. But that's only my opinion, of course. Anyway, if you go to the internet, to a public and more or less anonymous forum and really seek for advice - then you'll get what you deserve: tear it down! Hubert

I once had a worn one in my 2l Citroen XM. It was still under load and at idle and frightening loud when the car was rolling without load. With strictly digital throttle I could make another 5000 km before the noise became really creepy. The engine had 300.000 km then. Hubert

Make sure those noobs either do not completely pull out the rear axle or instead tie the cardan housing to the frame so it hangs there and will not fall down as soon as they pull out the wheel. Otherwise there's a good chance to have ruined the rubber bushings in the connecting rod fairly quick - in just one go Hubert

Stay easy, Steve, it's 100% just the gearbox. It sounds realy clunky some times, knocks if you like. The knocking changes, even vanishes for some seconds if you play a bit with the clutch lever, pull in - let go and so. Try that before you get inside the engine. Believe me, the internals like it dark! Hubert

Not at all. Same here. There was an interesting article last week in one of the bigger weekly newspapers, calling them "Helicopter Parents" as they hover over their f$%#ng breed all the f$%#ng time. And they had a name for a rapidly growing subgroup of these as$%#s : "Black Hawk Parents". Guess why Hubert

It's not the Siemens tale, they're not that bad, it's just as you already think: the 5-pinner is in the wrong slot now. I would bet on this! Hubert

Oh, is it? If so I wouldn't know if it's a good thing or not. Sealed should be sealed, not only a little sealed. This bearing on my bike was rotten by water, dust, and a good mouthfull of cleaning fluid every now and then. Otherwise the bearing would last for ever. There are no real forces on it. Hubert

No no, I'm talking about a spoiler/fairing for the oil sump. Wasn't one on the bike of last year? Especially in black it looks very sporty. Hubert

Nicely done. What do you think about just milling a Hostaform/Delrin bushing to replace the worn needles/cage. That's what I have in mind for one day still to come. This bearing is not sealed, your replacement is not sealed also. There will quite quickly get water and sand inside and start it's abrasive and corossive work. A softer material might withstand this erossion better. Hubert

Spoiled by the missing spoiler, Slavomir Congratulations nevertheless to have it ready and running right now. Summer may come now. Hubert

Jaap, can't you just shut this whole thread up? It makes no sense to have this bowl eaten up to the very last part of it. Give us a chance, close it! Hubert

Peter (if he has quit) was a big part of this friendly, ever calm and efficient business. At least to me as a customer it seemed so. Maybe he reads here, then thank you and all the best for your days to come! BTW, would it make sense to wear my V11LeMans.com shirt next time I'll be there? Hubert

If those parts are so soft, is it always necessary to exchange the cams as well? I hope you'll get the cams paid as the recall was planned, but just in case, you know. It looks as if the cams can be pulled without dismounting the whole bike/engine. So they could be checked easily. Hubert

Hey, why not having a proofen Guru bend one for you or better this forum? To get the most out of it he must make limited runs of them. 150 for the first lot. Then, a year later another and final 100 of these then already legendary bullet and nuclear bomb proof "XY-springs". The idea behind that is that some buy a bunch of them, others buy none, and of course all the newcomers can only read of them in the archives. So you very quickly come up with a 2 classes forum society: those who are multiple equiped and those beging and crying for getting one of them. Try it, it's fun! At least for the third group Hubert

Maybe it's time for intermission in this great opera, right somewhere between the first and second 20 pages So get your glass of champagne and devote yourself to this: B.O.F.H. It'll bring you into the right mood for the second half Aren't you in the same business? Hubert