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That's forum! Live and Technicolor! Enjoy your bike, Michael, dont mind so much about this or that. Hubert

I hardly can keep me from vomiting when I think that the first thing this Beggio did was selling the area and the buildings to who knows what Italian investors and now, after the thing is ruined to the bones, he will again draw his personal profit out of it So much for the "business model" wankers here and elsewhere Hubert

OK then, let's deal with it positively I wrote it the other way round: MV was based on developements done under Gilera. Gilera left the GP circus together with MG, so their racing engineer was obsolete, he moved to MV and took the drawings and ideas with him. That's what I have read at least. Have you seen pictures of the late Gileras once? They have now taken them the last bit of identity they had left. No more MG engineering, no more MG styling since some months already, and now even no more MG place. Hubert

Well said. That's how I feel. Ofcourse other places have better roofs, parking and turning possibilities for lorries, enough space for huge production lines and whatever more. The point is, they could find all this for even less money in China or India. If they move, they have moved probably, they could label everything as Guzzi and bring it to the market. And btw. I can't see any reason why Mandello should stand for bad quality. As one has mentioned already, there's lot of industry, Lafranconi, Gillardoni and others, suppliers for names like BMW to mention just one. Oh and you don't need to be a genius to see a difference between MV and Gilera Hubert

I'm with you... Hubert Now something different comes to me: here we had the MZ factory, as old as MG or maybe even older. Actually you could buy it for 5 million euros. A lot of money you think. But not if you know that those smart boys which dig 700 billion USD holes in public pockets are making 5 millions per month!

It's only two weeks or so since we've had this topic under the question "MG back to MotoGP" you might remember. Tell you what: this is the historic moment when Guzzi finally went out of business after (how many?) years. MG soon will be history as it is Gilera or as it is Mondial or in the very same way as it is Laverda! No factory at Mandello - no Moto Guzzi! No Breganze - no Laverda. This was the first thing this smart cheek to cheek smiley Beggio did: he sold the buildings to someone private. R.I.P. Last weekend I've been to Italy and a friend there told me about rumours that there might be plans to bring Gilera back to MotoGP. Well, why not, Gilera had developed the later on so successfull MV engines. Good luck to them. Hubert For a small brand like MG this factory was all they had to bind old customers and to find new ones that wanted to become also a part of the myth! Such things don't get "outdated"! Bullshit! Piaggio had enough money to clean up one or two halls down there to assemble the new models, even Guzzi somehow was able to get the money for that.

I'm with Greg, check the starter. If your battery was bad or dead already, you'd just hear your starter solenoid clicking and you'd measure around 12 V or below. A dead starter consumes huge currents, more than even these strong but nevertheless small batteries can deliver. What you describe sounds typical for a dead starter: a still good battery doing all it still can to move only slowly this big engine. If you look for another sign to proove this theory, start the engine once or twice this way and then touch the back cover of the starter. It's probably got dammend hot by only two attempts. And don't forget to give an update here what the problem was in the end Hubert

You might like to test the new ECU first in another bike before you put it into yours. I once had a Ducati 900 ECU at hand and in my V11 and I even drove around with it a bit. Lean but working. Hubert

No, I totally disagree! They produce the most reliable bikes available - maybe not every day though. Could well be that your's is one of them. But let's see what will come out. Hubert Try to contact -Martin.Glaeser- here on this forum, you can talk with him about Guzzis in Singapure, availability of spare parts and topics like trustable mechanics.

How about taking a picture or two of the bits and show them here? Mine actually has nearly 90.000 km on the clock, it's seen nearly all types of oil, sometimes even mixed and sometimes at low levels only, and I'm a big fan of volunteering, high reving Guzzi engines. It means you can be sure that none of your theories so far are reasonable, at least it's not that you should say a Guzzi couldn't stand this or that. Unfortunately quality tolerances might be kind'a different thing, of course Hubert

Yeah, less cable, but all those ECUs are talking to each other on this bus and as soon as one starts to talk rubish he rest of them gets nervous at least. On the other hand, it works perfectly in cars since quite some years now. Hubert

It's most likeky the CAN bus that brings most bikes down nowadays. The new Guzzis will then have the same problems as Ducati, BMW and others have already. Hubert

Bought my first motorcycle ever in 1982, a well used '74 Guzzi 750S, without absolutely any history besides it had stood around for 3 years already. It had a silly ticker right from the first day I had it, and about 3000km later the left piston "disintegrated" while idling at 7000 min-1: I just had to know what this tickering was, well, now I knew. I repaired it myself, made this and that mistake, learned a lot, also how and where to source spare parts and still own this bike today. In company with a LMIII (70.000km) and my V11 Greeny (90.000km). These Guzzis never have left me stranded away from home in all these years. I had one bigger problem once with a dead ECU, but this was a pimped one with a replaced and badly soldered chip. Tell you what: these bikes (Beemers also ? ) are bikes of character, and as such strongly react to the character who ownes them. If you're a whiner you won't get happy with them, they'll kick you as soon as you turn around. The more if you don't ride them properly! I really strongly believe in this. Hubert

This will destroy your battery. 14.6 is maximum. Have you a good ground connection for the regulator? Hubert

I'm quite sure it takes the last given value to fill in the empty ones (above 50 deg). Adding extra fuel to keep engine temperature in an acceptable range at higher ambient resp. head/oil temperatures could make sense, but only on first sight I'm afraid. It will cool down he head a bit, surely, and also it will help to reduce pinging. But the downside is, that these effects are a problem only under high engine loads. The enrichement would nevertheless affect the entire map and I can see no good reason for that, actually. Give me a good reason and I will change my map. We're not using our bikes for racing, and some not so develloped countries still don't have these lovely high speed autobahnen on which you could ruin an engine on very hot days Hubert

Hubert, I know you are just toying with the idea, but I don't want you to give people (especially Antonio) heart attacks!

Yes, and the funny thing is: the Guzzi tribe would probably be the last group to notice this. Hubert

Yes, rebadging was the idea, not burning money in an engine based on the actual Guzzi line. They've burned enough with the MGS01, that should do it for now. Generally I'd suggest to get a little distance to this annoying thinking, Guzzi was for the elderly people only. Although such a traffic sign might actually be placed at the entrance of every 3rd or 4th street in Britain, I've never spotted a Guzzi shop in these areas so far. But seriously, every youngster interested in bikes sooner or later will open the one or other book about bikes - we know what name he'll find on page one, at least on page two: surely not Aprilia, and even for Ducati it will take 3/4ers of the book before being mentioned for the first time. Aprilia once was planning to do a quite similar thing with the name Laverda. It was nothing else but a luxury version of a standard Aprilia. Everybody knew that but nevertheless it got some remarkable interest. Or take Buell, them bringing a really powerful bike to the market without using this very limited HD unit. Aprilia was sold to Piaggio because the market for their scooters more or less had collapsed. Scooter is Piaggio, not Aprilia. So, what's left for them? Aprilia is not a name that makes people look up. Such names are BMW, Guzzi, HD, Triumph - perhaps also Ducati, but I'm not too sure about that. Hubert

MOTORRAD wrote the Mandello workers were quite afraid things could develop differently. They're nearer to the factory than others. Hubert

Sure, but that's history, as Moto Guzzi itself is history. The new owner Piaggio has closed down nearly everything. No more Guzzi engineering, probably no more Guzzi assemblylines in Mandello, nothing but the museum as it actually seems. Piaggio is paying for Aprilia as well as for Gilera and now for Guzzi. They're already racing the small smellers under Aprilia and Gilera. Why shouldn't they race their new SBs under the Guzzi name and logo? Hubert

Just an idea that came to me lately. As you know, Guzzi is no longer existing as we were used to it. Under the new ownership it's nothing more but a name, as it is Gilera for instance. They even have stopped production in Mandello if I've understood the article correctly. But, if Piaggio wants a come back into MotoGP or Superbike, why not under Moto Guzzi instead of Aprilia? Aprilia makes nice bikes, surely, but is this really a name that makes people listen to? Just imagine the big, dark red racetruck with this overwhelming logo, "The Logo", on it. In a more modern form maybe, a very cool but decidedly forward pacing eagle, countlessly filmed by young enthusiasts when seen on the highway and put on U-tube? What if Guzzi would compete and win again against the soon to come Beemers? If not on the road (even if some think the Stelvio already came quite close) then preferably on track? I love my idea (as often) but I'm clearly seeing my fifties come, so they should speed up a bit their normal pace of decision finding, or I will not see this come true again, I'm afraid. Hubert PS: in the 70ies they already had a winning Guzzi with the 46 on it Maybe in 2010 or 2012, if nothing's left to be won?

Nuf said. Nevertheless, a LMIII was the more comfortable long distance burner, providing passenger footpegs for really laying flat on the bike. Hubert

Of course. And the optimiser should be able to autotune the offset map as well. Ask Cliff for details. This line makes the switch: "MyECU Cfg 2ndO2Sensor=no" (Write YES instead) Hubert

You have to be productive, not just busy. And, while at rest, you should sharpen your tools. That's the theoretical and forum friendly part at least All other aspects would make us at once finding ourselfs knee deep in another "Global Warming" shit thread, my word on it! And don't be impressed too much by singularities like "I'm working 4 months a year, 'cause I can tell the important things in life". Hubert

Thanks for writing that, Van. My thoughts are with you and your son. Keep on looking forward. Hubert