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BTW, @red lion, what was the brand of filter that lost its gasket? And how many miles between filter changes?

Kudos to author Robert Smith for getting the origins of the Moto Guzzi big twin right in this December, 2020, article on an interesting Eldorado for Motorcycle Classics magazine: https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-italian-motorcycles/zm0z21jfzols/ "(That the V7 engine was developed from Guzzi’s “mechanical mule” military project is now refuted by most authoritative sources, including marque specialist Greg Field in his book Moto Guzzi Big Twins.)"

Probably not exponential. Certainly not crazy (except for those Coppa Italia sold at high-end auctions), yet "incremental" appreciation, definitely up from their bottom of a few years back. I would like to think proper service records, analog as they might be, make a difference. Yet, that might just be me liking to think.

Yah, eight to ten million lire seems about right . . .

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Valuation is interesting business, especially as these bikes are becoming twenty+ years old and each individual model/ color is only seen in relatively small numbers. (I don't know if they are "rare as hens' teeth ", but certainly "finer'n frog hair! ") An experienced member here spoke to me recently about valuation issues related to our model specific forum. The fellow has bought and sold a series of very nice V11 in recent years. I trust his opinion and he opened my eyes to a phenomenon that I had overlooked. And I paraphrase: Those of us with intimate knowledge of this model series tend to undervalue its current market value. Partly because we have a "long memory" of prior values and sales. Partly because we already have one (or more) V11 and would not pay a premium for another or a replacement. What this member opened my eyes to is that the biggest market looking for a V11 these days is not within our ranks, but comes here to listen to what we have to say. (Once, again, I say, "We are the world's foremost expert on the Moto Guzzi V11." ) My observation is that we saw the bottom of the depreciation curve for V11 several years ago and actual sales prices, recognition, and desirability have been steadily on the rise. Also notable are the recent high-end auction sales of a couple different Coppa Italia for ~10,000+ USD. Valuation is also spread across international boundaries over the continents. Asking prices in Europe have consistently outpaced those in The States, while I've seen our Canadian neighbors do some discounting to make their V11 more available to buyers across the border. With new owners coming to the Moto Guzzi V11, these folks are necessarily making comparisons to the cost of buying something similar from the same era (maybe a BMW R1100S? Ducati ST?). So, my joking (above) aside about "giving away silver Sports", values really have been on the rise. Don't give your V11 away. These are magnificent, unique, works of Italian art that offer a visceral and captivating motorcycling experience. Remember, we have a responsibility to our stewardship: We are the world's foremost expert on the Moto Guzzi V11!

You have to give the silver ones away. I can have my shipper there Tuesday….

Word!

HAha, well, my Owner's Manual English translation says, "Screw it up!" Once you've changed the oil, replacing the correct volume (3.7 US quarts/3,5 litre): start it, idle, shut down and wait few minutes. See where the level is on your stick on the sidestand. "Screw it up" or don't but it's a lot quicker and easier to take note of the oil level on the stick, while on the sidestand, dip stick pressed in (but not "screwed up") . . .

This ("finger tight") is how I recall being told to install canister oil filters on the American motors in my early days. NOT best method for the Moto Guzzi, as Pete points out ! Some years back, member Ryland3210 did some respectable investigation on the deformation of oil the filter gaskets after initial contact. He came up with 1 1/8 (one and one-eighth) turns past contact. I found this significantly tighter than I would ordinarily tighten a filter, but has served me well over my Sport's miles (5,000 mile oil changes/ WIX filters). Never had one come off and only stuck one: once.

Right: once, again: drain your 3+ quarts through the drain hole as if you were going to change your oil. Catch it in a clean pan and re-use it. Then, whether you drop the sump or use the "manhole cover" keep the filter upright (full of oil) while you remove the extra filter gasket. You will lose very little oil.

Catch your fresh oil in a clean pan just like you're were going to change it, but simply put it back in once your filter is secure. Otherwise, just keep your filter oriented upright as it will be full. "Pre-filled!"

It should take a second or a second and half to extinguish the Low Pressure Light after an oil change. Most common cause is the old oil filter gasket stuck on the motor and now you have double filter gaskets and no oil pressure. Inspect the old filter that came off to see if its gasket is missing. Pull the new filter and inspect for the double gasket/seal. I would do this before starting again. Certainly before riding it.

Anyone who can keep a Big Healey in fine fettle is eminently qualified to care for a V11.

Makes me wonder how they got 122 hp out of a 95 hp motor . . . Seems the "modification" to the V11 6speeder gearbox was the CNC machined billet rear plate that mounts the swingarm and replaces the frame side plates of the other SpineFrames. Also makes me wonder how the Spine is attached to the driveline on the MGS-01. More than just the very front of the engine and the very back of the gearbox?

+1 on "glad you are ok" . . . Getting the damage estimate right is as important as getting the valuation correct. Values of V11 have been on the rise. Any valuation must show that there are comparable vehicles available and include the shipping to you (indemnification). The liable party (their liability insurance) is also responsible to replace your damaged riding gear.

@Tony21 -> Interesting, serendipitous, Dr. John Daytona post by @PeterS just yesterday on this 2006 thread: @Weegie cross posted it to this thread, but here it is cross-posted back.)

Hah- no, bud, taking your wife out in the convertible is noble. Motorcycling is demanding. And can be unforgiving. Truth is the original LaFranconi exhaust and factory cross-over are not bad at all. I'm still with my original tank, factory ECU/map, injectors, fuel pump and valve guides, while my treasured P.Roper Plate is still part of the shop decor. Yeah, batteries and tires and fluids are part of the price of admission.

@fotoguzzi, have you found your next V11?

WOW! So many really awesome bikes! Great jog, as usual, @swooshdave, on the video ! Love the start-ups and riders pulling away. Thanks for taking us along, Dave!!

It would be nice to see a collection of high resolution images of that V11 Sport. It looks largely original, but not entirely. Those are not the original mirrors and the rear fender/tail light/ tag light assembly has been changed. Images of the smorgasbord under the seat would be telling . . . If the tires are truly original, they will be Pirelli Dragon Corse with DOT date codes from 2000-2001. My original tires certainly never made it to 4,200 miles . . . (2,772 miles! )

Many of the small towns in our region were built along the railroads. Quite a few have an old caboose on display honoring that heritage. I put together a day ride that took in five cabooses (plus the BBQ Caboose Café ), 215 miles, 8 counties. . . . and 2 happy Guzzisti on their romping Sports . . .

What a gorgeous collection of V11 (two is a coincidence . . .) ! And bookend Corsas to match your garage floor!

Sure, it's going to need some attention, but what a clean Sport! Observed selling prices on the V11 have been steadily on the rise. That is not out of line as an asking price for what that is, IMO.