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Compressed air after water? Heat gun? More compressed air? *Watch yer eyes!*

+1 on overfilling (especially the rear drive) with RLSP-heavy. cannot simply drain, measure, and fill. Water soluble cleaner: "Super-Clean?"

The cleaner made a nice start on those brake parts. I guess those pins and the fastener threads should be polished up now? A little, light smear of silcone grease on the pins and thread lubricant/ anti-seize on the fasteners? *Shine on you Crazy Diamond!*

It was so thoughtful of you to put a paper towel down for the greasy bearings to look after the wife's plaid tablecloth. She hasn't asked about her cutting board yet?

When the time comes, I suppose I'll look into a factory replacement. It's the flywheel that should be really interesting to see - or what's left of it! I am sure I am guilty of holding the clutch in at stops for 16 1/2 years.

Thanks for finding the product on DigiKey. Kiwi_Roy put us onto them years ago and they are great to deal with. I try to avoid posting Amazon or ebay seller links because they are so volatile and dry up/ go dead. DigiKey is a reliable supplier with no minimum order. Thanks, again, bbolesaz!

bbolesaz makes a good point about the G8HN that ends in RH. If you are running that OMRON already, or have a source for the G8HN-1C2T-RH, there is no reason to go further because it already rated 20a/35a continuous. My old G8HN don't have the "H." (high current).

bbolesaz, I believe it is the "steady state" rating on the "load test" you linked:

Full data sheet on the High Current G8HE here: http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-g8he.pdf Continuous current ratings shown under "Switching Area." Let's make sure I'm not missing something here!

Thanks, bb! I knew if someone else looked, we would find other sources. No idea why I couldn't find them there.

for those of us living *outside the darkness* , is the 5sp RAM unit a direct swap for the twin-plate 6speeder?

I appreciate all the education, testing, and patience sorting this out. Now that we've identified the relay with an adequate rating, perhaps someone can locate other sources. Again, you can use the 4-pin, form A, SPST relay in Position #5.

I've been running the OMRON G8HN for nine years/ almost 50,000 miles with no problems. Yet, the "N" is still only rated 10a/20a (unless you can find the G8HN that ends in RH), and these G8HE are clearly rated double the normal G8HN. Especially good for Position#5 where it is moving ~22.5 amps. And in Position #1 in the early V11. I'm expecting them to run cooler and will take infrared readings when the time comes and compare to my previous findings posted in the "Hot Relays" thread. It's not perfect science, but will be *very interesting*

I believe these OMRON G8HE-1C7T-R-DC12 are definitely the best relays for our application (double the ratings of everything else). I would replace all five, but at the minimum run one in Position #5. For those with early (1999-2001) V11 also one in Position#1. Trouble with the onlinecomponents link I posted is the $50 minimum order! I went ahead and placed an order to test the vendor's reliability and inquired about waiving the minimum. (every time I think I have this solved . . . )

I can't find the G8HE from Mouser or DigiKey. But here they are in 5-pin for "easy money" ($3.08US each) from "Onlinecomponents.com/ findchips.com," Phoenix, AZ, USA : http://www.onlinecomponents.com/omron-electronics-g8he1c7trdc12.html?p=42670683&utm_source=findchips&utm_medium=inventoryrefferal&utm_campaign=findchips

This ebay seller states the it is the "same" as the high capacity G8HE: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Omron-Relay-HC-Micro-ISO-SPDT-8T2T-14B192-BA-AUTOMOTIVE/121336226761 OMRON told me that is a Ford part made by OMRON to Ford specification, but that they do not provide cross reference to the OMRON cataloged parts. No known application at this point. Similar "looking" relays appear to be used in fuel pump applications, but I have no specifics. I've seen that the high current relay is often used for blower motors, among other common applications.

I wish I understood this better.

The Amazon seller replied immediately to say they are sourcing from one of their distributors and will ship to me next week. I suppose, because they not actually the supplier, they know nothing of inventory levels and availability. OMRON also replied promptly: "8T2T-14B192-BA is a Ford OEM relay. Omron makes this relay to Ford Specifications. G8HE-1C7T-R1-DC12 is made to a Catalogue specification. Omron does not sell OEM relays nor do we have recommended cross." I cannot find the Ford specifications for this relay, so cannot say if it is truly equivalent to the high capacity OMRON. It would be remarkable if the continuous current rating checks out and we could walk into any auto parts supplier and get a Ford fuel pump relay with confidence! Anyone have that Ford relay spec? At this point, I would say: if you can source the High Current G8HE-1C7T-R-DC12 OMRON, its specification is unsurpassed by anything we have seen. I will not be convinced the OMRON-built Ford relay is truly equivalent unless someone can show the actual ratings for continuous current. Don't be fooled by the "in-rush" rating which is always higher than continuous and how the Panasonic gets marketed as 20/35 (in-rush, not continuous, which is 10/20).

Correct on the "C" being the 5-pin. The picture concerned me also, but I see they simply copied the photo from the spec sheet, which shows the 4-pin "form A" as well. I've always long been a fan of using 5-pin in all the positions, even though that is only required in Position #1, but the Form A version could be used in Position#5 and is rated 35 amps continuous.

+1 on using the best relays we can find. The spec sheet on the OMRON high current G8HE is pretty compelling. It's the only micro relay I've seen that is rated 35 amps NO for the load on the #5 [Fuel Injection] position. Let's all realize that the Panasonic is a good relay and rated 10/20 for continuous current while the OMRON is rated 20amps/35amps continuous. +1 also for Kiwi_Roy , once again, coming through with the wiring change that looks to have started in 2002 and lets the #1 Starter Relay *live easy*. The question becomes, on those V11, where does the electrical stress go on start-up? Simply harder on the Ignition Switch?

Out of the reach of the "Basic Tutorial." Let's get help from the real experts. Moved posts.

Continuity from Fuse 5 to Relay#2, then? yes, relay 2 to fuse 5 outboards shows .5 ohms As Kiwi_Roy has said, your Relay#1 is livin' easy But you're starting your V11 through the Ignition Switch (if I am understanding the trade-off?). Keep your Ignition Switch cleaned and serviced and run the *best* (high current) relay in Position #5.

cut-and-paste without using the hyperlink function.

gstallons, run the continuity test on your 2003 and we'll be closer to an answer to your question.