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Thanks, Nog. Best point I've heard yet!

Thanks, Ryan. Best explanation I've heard yet!

see what I am up against? tag teaming guys that know everything about d i c k. Just for your information there is a whole other world out there, and it is not all about d i c k.

Please allow me to clean up your English(although this is Nogbad's job...and I will make errors...) Hi all! First: sorry for my bad english (before I write any grammatical errors). I'm Alex, 31yo from Milan Italy. I have been riding a Guzzi since age 20. My first was a 1977 T3 Cali which is now a sort of racer. I will post a pic soon. I recently bought (2 weeks ago, actually) a brand new V11 Cafe sport. For that I sold my V7 Sport S (ok.. dont kill me) restoration project. I own some older models also (galletto, zigolo, dingo....) and 1960 Slimline Pre-Unit Triton (ok.. not a Guzzi, sorry). Even though I graduated in economics, I do websites and graphic design to eat, because I like it and because I did not like my previous life as a travelling manager (too much time far away from my bikes). I like to get my hands dirty with bikes, beer and brbq, computers. If you wanna know more about me and my bikes take a fast look at my personal website ( http://www.roadholder.co.uk ). This is the best Guzzi website around. Compliments. See you soon and thank you for this great collection of information about our loved bikes Alex

Beautiful bike. Get the relays I suppose we could create a list of must have spares. The gearbox spring has a high failure rate, but the company that makes it can get it to you much faster than most Guzzi parts. Other parts: Oil breather hose going from front of spine to top of engine fuel line fuel filter oil filter oil spark plugs light bulbs valve cover gaskets oil pan gasket fuses a good stock of 6mm allen screws Lots of tools valve tappet gauges spark plug gauges battery charger throttle body balancer computer for PCIII something to lift bike for tire changes, etc. large allen for filter cover( I want one, I am still dropping the pan ) duct tape and zip ties

Any clues to the differences between the scura forks and the later Guzzi factory fitted Ohlins? About the only thing I have noted is that the Axle is different. On the newer it is hollow instead of solid, and it is a larger diameter on one side. I also seem to recall all the click numbers are different.

I must hit the next Monrovian Guzzi-Q Is that the infamous TGarlick in the back? That guy kind of looks like Roger. It might also be fun to ride up to Willow, to see the WMSC....but so little time, energy, and money...

Yah, in a crowd of people brake checking him. Mixing it up with people doing hostile aggressive moves like brake checking(which I assume is illegal in racing) is stupid and the best way to deal with it is to stay far away (and maybe kick their asses at the next gas station(maybe trispeed is right)) But Geno is all good with the guys who were brake checking him, and just took it as an encouragement to play hard ball with them......I don't get it.

I think you overestimate the value of violence. If I had cracked my windscreen against someones hip, I think that would be enough of a wake up call to mellow out, without the need for violence. I can't expect you to evolve, I can only suggest and hope. Or maybe I could keep kicking your ass until you give up your violent ways. That method does not work well in the family cycle nor in the raising of pitbulls. Sadly the aggressive passers on this list are not swayed by your common sense and words as they have had their minds made up already. Kicking their asses will only make them hate you more and you may end up with sugar in your tank or WD-40 on your tires.

I can't believe you can fit six bikes AND a lift in your garage! You can store the G&B at my house

I think if you switch to pod air filters you can put the pump where the air filter box is. Also instead of moving the oil cooler to the Centauro/Sport1100i position, with a little more bracket making, you could move it to the Griso oil cooler positon I also like the idea of going to the manual petcock as the electric one may increase the risk of vapor lock as evidenced by the problem clearing when the hose was pulled...(don't tell me it is already manual

I suspect there is also something else to the noise than the firing order. A Vincent is not a 90degree and it sounds fantastic. A Norton parallel twin sounds incredible. The MV Agusta four cylinder of the 1970s sounded better than any fours that I have ever heard. Could it be the porting, or the valve timing, or the valve size????

I am with TriSpeed on this except for the name calling, even though I thought the word moron before Trispeed typed it, and the beating people up thang is really moronic, people get nasty and use guns and people die from that nasty stuff. Cool in movies, but violence sucks in reality As to the forum etiquette of calling someone a moron, it generally is not accepted, but calling their post moronic or unintelligent is more acceptable Right Jaap??? The MGNA-SW guys have some pretty fast riders and when they pass me, it makes me nervous, so the simple solution is to ride tailgun. Most of their passes leave a pretty good margin for error, but I am not sure they know how sloppy of a rider I can be. When the fast guys on Palomar pass me, that can upset me. But the best thing to do is talk to them, not kick their ass. If they flip you off, then I guess I can't fault you for kicking their assseessss Passes in turns are rarely safe, although I have seen people like RacerX pull off a very safe inside pass on me at the end of a right turn where he pretty much knew I would swing toward the double yellow while he hugged pretty tight to the right white line. His talent is so much greater than mine, that I trust him to do that. The other contention is that violence is wrong except in self defence.

I looked for that but could not find it....oh well. In any case this adventure has got me enthused to save weight on the front wheel. before I had no idea that you could buy ceramic rotors that are one third the weight. A few pounds off the wheel would not be a bad idea either. Ceramic bearings could also save a couple ounces, but won't help much in the rotational department. All of this would be expensive carbon fiber wheel $2000 maybe less ceramic rotors $1800 MSRP ceramic bearings $200 maybe less Yes they appear to have fudged their numbers, and the 3# and 5# targets may be unobtainable without adding lead weight or making the rotors out of tungsten, but if this reverse rotating rotor got slightly better results than a $4000 20# wheel assembly and cost only $2000, it might be worth it.

Drat! I wish I had known about that 20 years ago The early V11S starter relay wiring is nearly as bad, but for a different reason. There is too much load on the lighting side of the relay. http://www.guzzitech.com/RelayFailures-David_L.html My GEI relay has been compensating for it fine, but for piece of mind, adding a pair of relays to the high and low beams with a direct line from the battery would take a considerable load off the starter relay.

Clearly you made little effort to comprehend what I was writing....typically you, no need to apologize. See, you are missing my point completely. Using the linear progression got me, or rather the inventor, right up to the cup. When using the square, the impact of the tires dimension becomes more challenging to compensate for, and your analogy of boat anchor weight almost becomes accurate. I disagree. It did not have to be....sorry you could not learn from the discussion as I did. Some how or other you were responsible for me learning a law of physics...thanks

some people are hoping he will make a specific alternator for our bike so that we can run more gadgets. I suppose his regulator could be used on our bikes

How do you wire the HD Accel regulator? They are cheap enough and look nice. Here is one on eBay, but it seems to only have three wires http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...&category=35571 I guess you will ground to the body, the one solo wire goes to the battery, and the other pair of wires go to yellow alternator lines???? I tried looking for information from Accel, but could not find any.... And Arlen Ness chromifies the accel regulators ....this model is not likely the 32Amp...

Which excuse did you use for your last crash?

No, we still have to guess at the measurements, unless you are willing to measure, we'll still be guessing. If you had recalled your physics a little better you could have explained, that the first set of calculations that I presented was wrong because I assumed a linear progression of the force in question as the mass moves away from the center. In fact it appears that if the force in question is the torque, not the force as defined in my last post. The torque, like the MOI, simply increases exponentially as the mass is moved further from the center. The torque, unlike the MOI also increases linearly as the RPMs increase The moment of inertia is not the end result, but it is the first thing to calculate. Measuring the masses and radiuses to determine the MOI is not trivial, unless one simply guesses. I kind of doubt the makers of this braking system took accurate measurements, but rather guessed, and probably guessed wrong and optimistically. If someone knows the exact weight of a tire, a wheel and a brake rotor, let me know, and will do another rough estimate. I was getting the numbers from tire shipping weight and boasts of how much lighter wheels and brakes are...if the progression was linear this would have been accurate enough to see if they were close or need a boat anchor to counter the force. Learning that the torque increases exponenentially has given me a new disrespect for perimeter brakes. What are Buell and G&B thinking?!?

The fact that you did not bin it with the three in the front after passing the 13 of 15 means you were likely the smart one...and I would take more pride in not crashing than in passing 13, so I guess that is where we differ. Maybe if I could pass anything faster than an El Dorado, Gold Wing, or HD, I could relate.

I don't think the moment of inertia is the thing to focus on. Check out this extrapolation: It is defined that: torque = force * radius moment_of_inertia = mass * radius^2 angular_momentum = moment_of_inertia * angular_velocity given that: torque = moment_of_inertia * angular_acceleration we can extrapolate that: force * radius = mass * radius^2 * angular_acceleration force = mass * radius * angular_acceleration So, then the question is, which measurement corresponds to the force that we must overcome? torque or force or angular_momentum? http://kosmoi.com/Science/Physics/Mechanics/tpecp2.shtml Perhaps I the positioning of the mass to a greater radius does not increase linearly but rather exponentially???? Then if I recalculate, again roughly: FWIW I roughly calculated the gearing from their image to be a little more than twice as fast as the wheel....something like a 2 to 5 ratio. Tire weight is about 10# (reduced from 15#(it is going to wear, right?)) Tire is spinning with its center mass at a radius of maybe 25cm. MOI = Mass x (r1^2 +r2^2) /2 and the tire is out a radius of maybe 22 to 28cm so MOI = 10 x (22^2 + 28^2)/2 = 5x(484+784)=6340 Wheel weight is about 10# (not including their patented spinning gears) Wheel is spinning with its center mass at a radius of maybe 15cm, but to calculate the MOI is difficult, but just for giggles, let us humor you and assume the mass of the wheels is all in the perimeter, which it is not, we get 10x22^2 or 4840=MOI Brake weight is about 8#s (4lbs per rotor for 320x4mm), (not including their patented spinning gears) Brake MOI is 8 x (16^2 +12^2) /2 = 4x(256+144) = 1600 So comparing the MOIs 6340 + 4840 =11180 the 1600 is not much, but when we increase it by the 5/2 we get 4000, still less than half of what we need to get to their 5# claim. Maybe they are using 8#wheels and 7# race tires or something???? In any case you may be correct that they are exaggerating the gains that we will see. Add 320x6mm rotors, a ten pound ring gear, countering a 15# combined weight for a race tire and $10,000 carbon fiber wheel, and you might have a shot at what they claim, but that would not be honest if they do not qualify it. Furthermore, the disk brake they show in the prototype looks more like a 290mm than a 320mm....what are they thinking?!?! They should be using a single tungsten steel 375mm perimeter rim brake rotor and get it spinning at three times the wheel speed!!!! It seems to me that bigger diameter is better for the reverse rotating brake and that only having one rotor would be advantageous to keeping the design simple.

How funny, I assumed just the opposite, that the brakes would be attached to the ring gear and the wheel to the hub gear I guess we may never know.