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I don't think we have read permission Since you archived it, Google no longer picks up v11lemans.com as major source on Global Warming anymore

If you give those websites a better introduction I might read them. As for Al Gore admitting to manipulating graphs, you keep going at him without showing evidence. Sure he probably did, but let's see the citation, please. There is a correlation, and a direct cause and effect. Scientists know for fact that some gasses like CO2 absorb more infrared energy. It is an undeniable fact. What is more difficult to correlate is how much temperature will increase, from a given increase in CO2. Models work to show what the increase will be, but the models are not perfectly accurate. But how accurate do the models have to be? I suspect the following models don't accurately take into consideration the power of the earth to absorb and we are likely to see a lower than predicted peak around 2050. These models predict fairly accurately into the past. As for the number of pirates, the number has been growing for centuries, they just don't look like the characters in Disney movies. The seas are not immune to crime. The only thing likely to better correlate to temperature than volcanoe eruptions and CO2 is solar radiation, but only modeling can show what that was centuries ago. Maybe someday there will be a model to include dinosaur farts in the model

We don't have to outlaw beer, just burping. The greenies want tax breaks for solar panels and green cars, so the government might be conspiring to ignore the greenies. Alternative Energy companies are weak, with the exception of the Alternative Energy companies like BP and Shell that make more money on petrol and are just hedging there bets on alternative. The oil lobby is huge and has clearly been shown to create propaganda of doubt. It seems you have been reading some of their work: Can you list these many scientists? Ratchet brought up the same point in the great lost thread and I countered by showing the reasoning of the primary scientist who switched his view because of Evidence. You shouldn't be criticizing a scientist that admits they were wrong, IMHO. If Jaap would open up the archive I might find the post. Not that I would put it past Al, but do you have a source for this alleged confession? Maybe Al Gore is the bugle boy leading the charge, but shooting him is only symbolic. The substance of the charge is the army of climate scientist in the IPCC that are charging forth with Truth. The bulk of the credible evidence supports the fact that humans are causing the climate to change. The best sources that I found are http://www.ipcc.ch/ http://www.realclimate.org/ The worst source, and a favorite of Ratchet's, is Exxon funded Steven Milloy's http://junkscience.com/ You can read about Milloy here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy Ratchet of course denies the credibility of wikipedia. So I suggest you look here http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll...1/REG/378909269 Where it says, " Mr. Milloy also runs a non-profit think tank—the Free Enterprise Education Institute—and he is an adjunct analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based non-profit public policy organization dedicated to free enterprise and limited government." "Steve Milloy, co-manager of the Free Enterprise Action Fund, which owns 4,000 Exxon shares," and "Exxon has been generous to these organizations. Between 1998 and 2005, the oiler gave $130,000 to the Free Enterprise Education Institute and $2 million to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, according to research from environmental activist group Greenpeace that was based on Exxon’s corporate-giving records." Of course Ratchet does not trust Greenpeace, but Milloy to the best of my knowledge never challenged the allegations, and I am sure he would. junkscience.com spends enough time attacking greenpeace. If you want prove the accusation wrong be my guest. Here is a headstart in the search of no evidence http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&cli...amp;btnG=Search Which model doesn't work, and why not? Here is a good article on the value (and issues with) climate models http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archi...climate-models/

"The next ‘warm and dry’ climatic phase is scheduled to arrive in the early 2030s, probably peaking around 2038. It is expected to produce even hotter and drier weather patterns than we saw during the late 1990s and early 2000s." "But, we should remember, that the Earth’s coldest periods have usually followed excessive warmth. Such was the case when our planet moved from the Medieval Warm Period between 900 and 1300 A.D. to the sudden ‘Little Ice Age,’ which peaked in the 17th Century." "By the end of this 21st Century, a big cool down may occur that could ultimately lead to expanding glaciers worldwide, even in the mid-latitudes. We could possibly see even a new Great Ice Age. Based on long-term climatic data, these major ice ages have recurred about every 11,500 years. Well, you guessed it. The last extensive ice age was approximately 11,500 years ago, so we may be due. Again, only time will tell." Pretty scary that theory that the warming could very well be followed by very cool period. If so, I hope we have fuel left by the predicted 2090 date on the chart.

You are so full of frivolous bullocks, LOL! Stick to the facts, John.

Breaking News!!!B PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOS ANGELES/OXNARD CA 1000 PM PST MON FEB 2 2009 ...THIRD WARMEST JANUARY EVER IN DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES... WITH AN AVERAGE MONTHLY TEMPERATURE OF 62.5 DEGREES...JANUARY 2009 WAS THE THIRD WARMEST JANUARY IN DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES SINCE OFFICIAL RECORDS BEGAN IN JULY 1877. ONLY JANUARY 1986 WITH AN AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF 65.9 DEGREES AND JANUARY 2003 WITH AN AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF 63.4 DEGREES WERE WARMER. Of course Ratchet may have been too busy indoors to have noticed the fine weather, and he never cherry picks his data or jump to conclusions based on scant evidence. (sarcasm intended) Of course today is another month, February, and the weather has changed to cool rain...but either way, one should not jump to conclusions about global warming based on a little bit of local weather. All the data must be averaged out. But trying to get Ratchet to swing away from his right wing bias and admit to REAL science is an impossible task. And if we look down under.

If that is Philistine, I think we have them out numbered, and out gunned! But (s)he looks more like a bohemian to me. Probably has a 169 IQ, but got kicked out of prep school, and then went to art school and got mediocre grades. Phi·lis·tine Pronunciation: \ˈfi-lə-ˌstēn; fə-ˈlis-tən, -ˌtēn; ˈfi-lə-stən\ Function: noun Date: 14th century 1: a native or inhabitant of ancient Philistia 2often not capitalized a: a person who is guided by materialism and is usually disdainful of intellectual or artistic values b: one uninformed in a special area of knowledge http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/philistine I think this guy better fits the description:

Yah, www.vbs.tv ain't mainstream liberal media. Not sure where they stand, probably best defined as traditional independent journalism. Thanks Ratchet! very entertaining video.

I'll buy every word of that, except having only an issue with Skeeve's take on the Second Amendment. My major issue is with his call for lynching law makers.

If I won the lotto I might become a gun nut, but I support bans on armor piercing sniper rifles for kindergartners' daily personal protection. Just give'm the freakin' lunch money kid! I also don't think consenting adults should be able to bare loaded RPG launching guns, in public, unless they are active military under orders to hunt down those plotting to lynch law makers. There are no elephants where I live, accept in the zoos near hear, so elephant and rhino guns, should be disabled or only allowed at shooting ranges, and the zoos of course, to prevent over population of them thick skinned critters. In Grizzly bear country, I think you need more flexibility than in Washington D.C. where the death rates of black males statistically looks kind of like genocide, but it is not the tyrants doing the shooting. I think gun user-ship should be licensed like driver licenses, where you have to pass tests. If you are blind as a bat and a total spaz, you should be limited to sawed off shot guns so you can hit your target

It will probably take only 1 year if Skeeve shoots Obama for signing a law that Skeeve believes violates the 2nd Amendment, but if he kills Obama by lynching him, as he suggested, it may take longer, unless guns were used in the lynching, which they probably would be.

You might consider trading the FIM flashed one with an OEM one. I'll bet you'd find takers willing to throw in some money. I have considered switching from Tuneboy to direct link, but would only do it if some traded me plus gave me dollars for the Tuneboy.

I guess he actually has. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=%22iggy+Pop%22+golf&btnG=Search EDIT http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2003/mar/02/golf.features Maybe you knew that. Do you know if they make him wear a shirt on the golf course? That could be frustrating for him if he has to wear a shirt. He might be better at croquet:

"Those who do read have advantage over those who can read." - David Laing My brilliant quote is inspired by what Ratchet posted "Those who don't read have no advantage over those who can't read." - Samuel Langhorne Clemens, aka Mark Twain It is good to see people actually reading! But at the same time, I think it is rude to insult people for not reading Ratchet's long posts and select linked readings. I have read most of what he has linked to from this forum and a good deal of it is crap. PS Go Steelers!

c'mon mate, it ain't so hard to pull your fingers out of ears!

So, what federal firearm law do you mean? Is this the bill you are talking about? I don't see anything unconstitutional about it: S.Amdt. 1615 to S. 397 SA 1615. Mr. KENNEDY submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 397, to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows: On page 13, after line 4, insert the following: SEC. 5. ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION. (a) EXPANSION OF DEFINITION OF ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.--Section 921(a)(17)( of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in clause (i), by striking ``or'' at the end; (2) in clause (ii), by striking the period at the end and inserting a semicolon; and (3) by adding at the end the following: ``(iii) a projectile that may be used in a handgun and that the Attorney General determines, under section 926(d), to be capable of penetrating body armor; or ``(iv) a projectile for a center-fire rifle, designed or marketed as having armor piercing capability, that the Attorney General determines, under section 926(d), to be more likely to penetrate body armor than standard ammunition of the same caliber.''. ( DETERMINATION OF THE CAPABILITY OF PROJECTILES TO PENETRATE BODY ARMOR.--Section 926 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: ``(d)(1) Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this subsection, the Attorney General shall promulgate standards for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor Exemplar. ``(2) The standards promulgated under paragraph (1) shall take into account, among other factors, variations in performance that are related to the length of the barrel of the handgun or center-fire rifle from which the projectile is fired and the amount and kind of powder used to propel the projectile. ``(3) As used in paragraph (1), the term `Body Armor Exemplar' means body armor that the Attorney General determines meets minimum standards for the protection of law enforcement officers.''. (As printed in the Congressional Record for the Senate on Jul 27, 2005.)

Was that a Trifecta, or more of a Hat Trick? Maybe a Turkey?

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." ~~Robert Heinlein

Maybe it has digressed to a pissing match.... shameful.

"Nothing is as terrible to see as ignorance in action." ~~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Is the dissent of four greater than the verdict of five? No, but it is more righteous, brother! Read the bloody dissent: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZD1.html

D.C. vs. Heller was a 5 to 4 decision. 1. Scalia was appointed by a Republican, Reagan. 2. Chief Justice John Roberts was appointed by a Republican, G.W. Bush 3. Alito was appointed by a Republican, G.W Bush 4. Kennedy was appointed by a Republican, Reagan 5. Clarence Thomas was appointed by a Republican, GHW Bush vs. 1. Stevens was appointed by a Republican, Ford 2. Souter was appointed by a Republican, GHW Bush 3. Ginsberg was appointed by a Democrat, Clinton 4. Breyer was appointed by a Democrat, Clinton FWIW The decision of the Right wingers did say that "like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" http://publicservice.evendon.com/cgi-bin/H...c_v_Heller+s001 Following that logic, it might then be OK to to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for some purpose. LOL! Crazy idiots! They then went on to say that prohibitions for felons, mentally ill, concealed weapon, and in sensitive areas such as schools and government buildings, can be allowed. Which begs the question, how are Ratchet and Skeeve going to fight tyranny if they can't bring guns to government buildings?!? LOL! I guess they can use any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever to blow the crap out of the Federal buildings. Doh! The Breyer wrote a dissent which Stevens, Ginsberg, and Souter joined http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZD1.html which said, "We must decide whether a District of Columbia law that prohibits the possession of handguns in the home violates the Second Amendment . The majority, relying upon its view that the Second Amendment seeks to protect a right of personal self-defense, holds that this law violates that Amendment. In my view, it does not." "the Second Amendment protects militia-related, not self-defense-related, interests." "The Amendment permits government to regulate the interests that it serves. Thus, irrespective of what those interests are—whether they do or do not include an independent interest in self-defense—the majority’s view cannot be correct unless it can show that the District’s regulation is unreasonable or inappropriate in Second Amendment terms. This the majority cannot do." "the law imposes a burden upon gun owners that seems proportionately no greater than restrictions in existence at the time the Second Amendment was adopted. In these circumstances, the District’s law falls within the zone that the Second Amendment leaves open to regulation by legislatures." "The right protected by the Second Amendment is not absolute, but instead is subject to government regulation. See Robertson v. Baldwin, 165 U. S. 275, 281–282 (1897) ; ante, at 22, 54 (opinion of the Court)." etc. Should these four justices "literally be dragged thru the streets & hanged for treason" as Skeeve suggested for some Democratic legislators of the US Congress?

Nice Shot!

There is a difference between lack of color blindness and racism. It is OK to see the color, it is not OK to treat people in a negative way because of their color. Celebrating the President's color is not racist. If all you see is his color, you are ignorant, not racist.

Good, just making sure. If I said that I hope you are too busy defending your house from a raging fire to go to the yes on h'8 rally, that would be all good? I am hoping Obama gets done fixing the economy quickly so that he can get on with a huge list of important things like reducing the high percentage of young black men in prison or dead with bullets in them. Hopefully with sensible laws. And speaking of not being sensible, IMHO closing Gitmo is not a sensible solution to ending Torture and other civil right violations. Executing laws governing the treatment of prisoners that adhere the spirit of the Constitution and the Geneva convention should be all that is needed in Guantanamo. If closing Gitmo is an indication of how he is going to operate, I share some of your concern, but I fail to see how you can say he betrayed his oath of office As for the comment about pissing contests, Ben has Skeeve and me (assuming that is whom he is targeting) misunderstood. Skeeve and I are both passionate about where we would like to see our country headed and we DISAGREE about it. A pissing contest has more to do with egotism. Neither of us give a damn how far the other piss, we only care who is getting pissed on. Skeeve doesn't want his gun toting buddies pissed on, and I don't want the underclass pissed on. Long before Obama, those in power have pissed on both. I have not seen any evidence of Obama as President betraying his oath or him having YET undermined even the most insane right wing interpretation of the Second Amendment. Perhaps Skeeve could enlighten us with facts???