Kiwi_Roy

Have you heard someone say "When disconnecting the battery disconnect the Negative first", that's what happens if you don't. Never mind I see Rolf has it covered I think everyone does it once, the resulting flash gets your attention.

Last time I looked Digikey still had them. https://www.digikey.ca/products/en/relays/automotive-relays/962?k=&pkeyword=&sv=0&v=39&sf=0&FV=ffe003c2&quantity=&ColumnSort=0&page=1&pageSize=25 ARE TOU SURE its a 1C7T you want? That appears to be an oversize relay on the normal base. Ok that is what you want, I'm out of touch - Cheers Roy This is the one I always bought https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/G8HN-1C2T-R-DC12/Z2247-ND/765512

The Tach, Idiot lights and Ducati Energia Voltage regulator are all fed from the headlight relay so anytime the Tach is not working chances are the battery is going flat and you need to investigate straight away, first thing to do is see if the headlight is On. Of course if the headlight relay is open the Oil and Charging lights are not working either so you don't have any indication of a charge problem until the engine quits and you have a flat battery. The Voltage regulator must have 12 Volts to turn it On. My usual "get me home" fix is to wrap a wire around the black pin of the voltage regulator and stuff the other end in somewhere hot Some early bikes had the headlight fed through a normally closed contact of the start relay, it must be a 5 pin, This is an earlier version, Carl doesn't have an 03 Trace the Red/Black wire from the headlight relay to the regulator, see how pin 30 of the relay is fed from the start relay, Later versions are a little different, the headlight relay coil is fed from the start relay but the result is the same. You may find a better version of the diagram here but no perving at Carl's girlfriend Haha http://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/sportissimo.html

I missed that its a 2001, easy thing to do is plug a test lamp in the relay socket /30, see if its alive with the key off Revised June 26 2019 All I am sorry to start a new thread about what seems to be an old problem but I am getting an issue with my Rosso Mandello - after an evening of investigation the problem seems to be that the starter circuit works fine, I am getting 12.7 ish volts at the spade terminal when pressing the start button but when I connect it to the solenoid the voltage disappears and I do not get the solenoid click or starter motor engaging!!! No, its not fine, this is classic Startus Interruptus. The Voltage you measure at the wire (unplugged) is without any load, it will seem normal even though there could be significant resistance in the circuit. When you plug in the spade connector there is a heavy load connected so the Voltage drop due to resistance between the battery and the spade shows up. You cannot afford even a fraction of an Ohm anywhere in this circuit. It may be as simple as a bad relay or loose connector at the relay socket. I found this sketch I did for someone showing the effect of resistance, in this case about 0.2 Ohms between battery + and spade connector. The resistance has caused the Voltage at the spade connector to drop in half, this drops the current through the coils in half so the strength of the solenoid is also half what it's supposed to be so all you would hear is the click of the relay or perhaps it might crank intermittently. If the solenoid manages to close the main contact the starter will crank at normal strength. Note: I only show resistance at a few of the possible points

https://dpguzzi.com/efiman.pdf The values in this manual still apply to the smaller ECU If you read through this it gives a good understanding of how an injection system works. One thing that doesn't apply is the vacuum hose on the pressure regulator on the later bikes it's open to atmosphere and the ECU compensates for barometric pressure.

Check if the headlight is working, the tach is fed off the headlight relay BTW the Voltage regulator is also fed from the same source so you don't know if the battery is charging either. You say the charge light is not On, guess what, it is also fed from the same source, no tach, no charging, no idiot lights, nice one Luigi

It should be somewhere near the seat release lock Mine was under the seat release screw, i moved it pretty quick. A gearbox bolt is an obvious point. Some VIIs have let out magic smoke when the main ground became lose, this diverts the starter current to the small black wire from voltage regulator to battery, it pretty soon glows red hot melting into other wires.

I think you misinterpreted my post (more likely I wasn't clear) what I meant was get a regulator where the reference is directly connected to the battery so its more reliable. Heres a Breva, notice how the regulator connects only to the battery Electrosport is a California company that makes regulators in China, I have used a couple of theirs and they seemed ok, They suggest the ESR 515 for your bike.

If you think about replacing the regulator try to find one directly connected so that it doesn't rely on the headlight relay. The Ducati Energia is a series regulator, some owners change to a shunt type but thats your call.

Not a lot would happen, it might effect the mixture a tiny bit, it doesn't change the amount of air.

Your mileage is a lot higher than mine was, i had to use throttle stops on both throttle bodies to get the idle consistent. I would find the point of contact with a slip of paper and then turn each screw the same No of flats.

Before you scrap the regulator do you have an additional ground to it? all the current has to pass back through the ground connections. The small black ground wire is not adequate, any Voltage lost there is Voltage lost to the battery. A short wire or piece of Aluminium strap (similar metals) from the regulator case to a timing cover screw has solved many a problem, make sure you apply some grease. As Docc says the 30 Amp fuse should show no sign of discolouration, dark colouring is a sign of overheating due to resistance.

On further reflection I think it is a faulty regulator, the 30 Amp fuse is back feeding through the regulator and providing a supply to the idiot lights. I think you would find the neutral on as well if out of gear Try unplugging the two pin connector at the regulator, I suspect it might be livening up the red/black wire

Another remote possibility is the wire is broken behind the keyed ignition switch and is shorting to the other The ignition switch block is held on by two Phillips screws up from below.

Run the Chinese sensor by all means it might be fine but carry another spare I would rather have a used spare from a parts bike.

When I built a MyEcu kit for my VII Sport I took the plug off my existing ECU, I had a power commander as well so I wired it directly to the old ECU board and fitted them both in a metal box as a spare ECU

If you look at a schematic you will see the kill switch is powered either through the side stand switch or the side stand relay (that could be called the Neutral relay because it's triggered by the neutral switch). The side stand switches are a known point of failure, they reside in a nasty environment below the engine exposed to water and road salt yet they are expected to provide a perfect circuit to the ECU relay anytime the bike is not in neutral i.e. running down the road. When my stand switch failed the "Go Winkie" light was flickering at about half brightness so I simply shorted out the contacts of relay 3 and never looked back. If I was to re-install a stand switch I think I would use something like a magnet activated reed switch sealed in epoxy or silicone sealant. the current through the switch is only a little over 100 milliamps (relay coil draw), reed switches are hermetically sealed against the environment and rated in billions of operations. Just a small sample https://www.digikey.ca/products/en/switches/magnetic-reed-switches/193?k=reed+switches&k=&pkeyword=reed+switches&sv=0&v=18&sf=0&FV=1f140000%2Cffe000c1%2C2080007&quantity=&ColumnSort=0&page=1&pageSize=25

Low Voltage at the gauge might make it read low but I suspect it would read erratically The pulses to the tach come from the ECU, I doubt it would be missing pulses. Sometimes an erratic tach is a sign of charging or headlight problems, the Tach is powered off the headlight relay which also acts as Voltage reference for the Voltage regulator, check the Voltage at the female connector of the regulator M/Fm socket. Otherwise Rich888 might be right something inside is drifting, I just recently repaired the Veglia off my 72 Eldorado

Yes I think 8 is low, less than 60% normal, its ok to dip down until it gets spinning but if it stays low the spark will also be weak making it extra hard to catch How about taking the same reading when you get your new battery.

http://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/schematics/2007_Norge.gif BTW the starter (25) shown on here is nonsense. You replaced the wire between the relay/5 and the starter, that's good but only half the job. According to Carl's drawing you still have a Start relay powered through the ignition switch. This is easy to check, find the Start relay and see if the main contact 3 is alive with the key Off. Strange as it may seem the more current you can cram into the solenoid spade connector the less power (Watt seconds) it uses because it gets the job done quicker. While the solenoid is engaging the starter gear the battery has nothing else to do, it doesn't start spinning the motor until the gear is engaged. On these bikes its suggested you snip the yellow wire below the relay and splice it onto a new yellow 16 gauge run direct to the battery through a new fuse or perhaps splice it into the RH main fuse Switched Fuse B still feeds 9, 12 & 19 through the original yellow The number plate light on these bikes was trying to tell us something, I'm sure it was going dim whenever the starter was making the dreaded SI click

Guys often get the transformer rule mixed up with Ohms law. If you drop the Voltage through a transformer the current goes up as the Voltage goes down, it 's really not applicable to your bike.

Any battery can put out 12 Volts no load, its how much will it put out under load is the thing. You can take it and have it load tested but the starter is a pretty good indication, probably over 100 Amps Fix your meter to the battery terminals and take a reading while it's grunting to get it over the hump of compression. Which reminds me I've been meaning to check my old loop for weeks it has a Power Patrol SLA1116 of 18 AH rating, I thought it was on the way out. First off I connected my Voltmeter to the charging leads with a couple of jumper leads, it read 12.9 Volts. I lifted the plug caps off so it wouldn't start and ground away for about a minute in several second bursts it would drop down to 10.9 while cranking. I was shocked half an hour later when it was still reading 11.8 and holding 10 while cranking, occasionally compression would catch it off guard and the Volts would pull right down to 7 for a second but it would come back to 10 once it got spinning. All this time the headlight was burning. My test wasn't very scientific, I should have measured the current at least but I didn't expect it to last more than a few spins of the motor but at least I have established a point of 10 Volts while cranking and have a healthy respect for this battery. Of course you don't want the Voltage to drop much under 10 or you may not have enough for a reliable spark, this old girl doesn't mind. If I had measured the Amperage I would have seen it shoot right up while the motor was stalled and come down once the motor started to spin, motors also act as generators as they spin they generate Voltage in the opposite direction (commonly known as Back EMF (back Electro-Motive Force)) which subtracts from the forward Voltage to bring the current down.

Be sure to give us a ride report, I'm sure you will be surprised what the old girl can do.

Thanks for weighing in Docc, I have no experience with swapping starters. Sorry it was me that mentioned Bosch, Gatorman said D6RA2 It sounds as though Gatorman has the bikes original starter as well though, that should fit I still don't know for sure he is talking about a VII or something else, we don't have the obligatory picture, LOL So it turns out to be a VII Bassa at least that's what it says on the side cover, beautuful mile muncher, the EVs had foot boards, I prefer the pegs and love those tubeless wheels, a classic Guzzi for sure.