ScuRoo

'Spose I'll take a shot on this... 1) Which one would say, a Honda badge look most at home on gracing it's tank? 2) What motor looks more unique bursting out from its frame? 3) On start-up, which one gives you grin inside? 4) Which piques even a good 'ol Harley boys curiosity? 5) ...I could go on, but it seems plenty enough.

Yeah, I've got one of those rare Scura R's, trying to keep it fairly low mileage too. Bought it sight unseen from dealer on the Isle of Man - one of only four to come to the UK. Can't get off my bike anywhere without someone coming up for a chat - I think its those red seats really! Last one I saw advertised was at Teo's in Holland a few months back - but it went quick. I'll sell it, yeah right! Make me an offer I can't refuse and I'll see just how much I love it...

As the man said, "*&£$ It's quiet here!" This year might be even quieter, speaking personally. I for one kinda like impassioned (argumentative) forum dudes. Ones that get so into it they write mini novels explaining their pov and stirring up a reaction from one or two takers - it puts a little soul into the party!! Arguments are better than deathly silence now.... don't you agree? It's 2012. Time to bring that old bastard back in from the cold...

just trying to work out how to cancel post...

+1 what Jaap said. And by the way Van, Tenni's are way too cool for anyone from B..b..Belfast!

It's official I can tell my wife...'MOST'

Aw shit, I feel for ya Mike. I hope they do hard-on cell time... Give us a bit of background on the theft - was it from home garage or street? What security did they get through on the bike? Any suggestions?

Any ride after so long would have to be sublime Mike! My piston's are in the possession of my guzzi-drug-mule British Airway's Captain's hands which he'll be dropping over reeeaaal soon (he lives in France). As you'd previously put out the call and I along with a few others answered - I can't wait anymore... "After a 2 plus year wait for the Mike Rich pistons"... ARE THEY WORTH IT? Still breaking them in I know but even at this stage, do you have any thoughts on 'em? Have you noticed any change? ScuRoo's just gotta know...

Good on ya furry - I applaud the 'Don't like it - change it!' can-do attitude. Here's another tricolor balls-out version - My link - Enzo might experiment with it!

You fella's raised some valid point so I just kinda rejigged it all into my email to him to see what the answers would be from the horses mouth. Davide of Dacar has responded in CAPITALS. Twin-turbo's in a turn-key kit is still gotta be an interesting mod - if it ultimately stacks up to scrutiny! What do you think? FIRST OF ALL I'M ATTACHING A COUPLE OF FILES: - A FILE OF OUR TEST WE MADE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO: YOU CAN SEE A LOW SPEED TEST (FROM 1ST TO 6TH GEAR) AND THE INCREASING OF SPEED. THIS FILE IS PART OF THE DATAS WE RECORDED THROUGH OUR DACAR DATA LOGGER - THE FILE OF THE BANNER WITH THE POWER CURVE I'LL ANSWER CLOSE TO YOUR QUESTION I'm interested - but - I have some candid questions for you. How does this really work then?? "the turbo kit gives to the bike more power but quite the same torque not to damage the transmission; the power curve is constant but not vertical. - especially with the bike at full load you can use the sixth gear at low speed and use the bike as a scooter; during the summer in altitude the engine is always full without poor intake power holes." Power is a product of torque and RPM. RIGHT, IF YOU ANALYSE THE POWER CURVE YOU COULD SEE THAT THE INCREASING OF THE POWER IS ALONG THE ORIGINAL POWER CURVE AND THE ORIGINAL RPM. YOU HAVE SOME HP MORE BETWEEN 3000 AND 4000 (IN ORDER TO HAVE POWER IN LOWER RANGE) THEN THE 2 CURVES ARE VERY SIMILAR UP TO 6000; THERE THE ORIGINAL ENGINE STOPS TO GIVE POWER AND THE CURVE BECOMES FLAT, THE TURBO STILL PUSH NO MODIFYING A LOT THE INCIDENCE OF THE ORIGINAL CURVE UP TO 8000 RPM; SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE POWER IS NOT VIOLENT OR BRUTAL (THE RATIO OF THE CURVE NOWHERE IS VERTICAL!). First question - Increasing power at constant torque implies increase of RPM. RPM is controlled by your wrist and, eventually, rev limiter. What is actually turbo doing here? THE SPEED LIMIT IS STILL CONTROLLED BY THE ORIGINAL ELECTRONIC CONTROL AND NO TRANSMISSION RATIO HAS BEEN CHANGED, SO THE MAX SPEED IS THE SAME, AS THE RPM Second question - sixth gear and low speed means low RPM. Again, constant torque, low RPM. What actually changed here? IN TRUTH, AS YOU COULD SEE, AT 3000 YOU HAVE SOME MORE HP AND SOME MORE TORQUE BUT WE ARE IN THE LOWEST PART OF THE POWER CURVE, SO THE MORE POWER AND TORQUE WE HAVE IS NOT DANGEROUS FOR THE MECHANIC. So, what you say must be badly phrased (if nothing else). The torque must change, but what you seem to be claiming, not over the max torque value. But then again, where do 70% power increase come from? 70% more RPM? I HOPE I HAVE EXPLAINED BEFORE AND LOOKING AT THE POWER CURVE. The above are the primary questions that require further full clarification. One last question: the efficiency of the whole process will stay nearly the same, means there'll still be about 70% losses dissipated as heat. WE HAVE SOME MORE HEAT AND WE SUPPLY ADDITIONAL SPARKS FOR WORKING AT HIGHER TEMPERATURE. THE ANALYSIS WE MADE ON THE DYNAMOMETER AND ON THE ROAD HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY BAD RESULT: THE AIR COOLING SYSTEM OF THE ENGINE CAN COOL DOWN ALSO THIS INCREASING If there are claims of 70% increase of power output there should roughly be 70% additional heat output - which probably isn't a big deal at >4000m altitude, as it seems to be what this kit is designed for. (Not to mention the extra petrol...) ABOUT THE EXTRA PATROL: WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY KIND OF CONSUMPTION TEST, BUT I CAN IMAGINE THAT THE RESULT COULD BE SIMILAR TO THE MODIFIED ECU FOR CARS TO HAVE MORE POWER: TO REACH THE SAME RPM YOU USE LESS GAS THEN WITH THE ORIGINAL ECU BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE POWER. SO THE EXTRA PATROL USED IS COMPENSATED BY THE LESS USE OF THE GAS PEDAL. ON MY CAR I HAVE DECREASED THE CONSUMPTION. "A great challenge all Otto-Cycle engines suffer, is working on high altitudes. It is estimated that in a high altitude trip, as much as 50% power can be lost due to thinner air. With the twin turbo BMW GS1200 kit and it’s turbo pressure control, this loss is not existant as it is compensated by the Borg Warner custom turbochargers. The gains are translated when you travel through Chile with 170 bhp instead of the 50 you would have with the naturally aspirated bike." So, in summing up: "the main characteristics of the kit are: - auto installation at home - no modifications of the original bike (mechanical or electronical) - the kit completed of all: stainless steel exaust and intake manifolds, additional injectors, additional oil pump (for turbines), wastegate valve, exhaust till the terminal, additional lambda sensor, intercoolers, additional ECU, new sparks." Is that really it? No other mechanical (exhaust, manifolds, oil pump, ...) nor electronical (lambda sensor, ECU, ...) modifications? OF THE ORIGINAL PARTS NO: OF THE COMPLETE EXAUST SYSTEM YOU CAN KEEP YOUR TERMINAL PART, THE 2 ORIGINAL LAMBDA SENSORS ARE MOUNTED ON OUR EXAUST + 1 MORE LAMBDA SENSOR (ALL THE ORIGINAL SENSORS AND INJECTORS STILL WORK WITH THE ORIGINAL ECU); OUR ADDITIONAL ECU IS CONTROLLING THE ADDITIONAL INJECTOR, THE ADDITIONAL LAMBDA SENSOR, THE ADDITIONAL OIL PUMP FOR TURBINES LUBRICATING. I'LL SEND TO YOU BY WETRANSFER THE INSTALLATION MANUAL TO HAVE A LOOK OF IT. ON DECEMBER THE 16TH THE ITALIAN MOST KNOW BIKE MAGAZINE "MOTOCICLISMO" ASKED TO HAVE THE EXCLUSIVITY OF THE TEST IN MONZA CIRCUIT; I'LL SEND TO YOU THE ARTICLE AS SOON AS I HAVE IT. IN THE MEANWHILE YOU COULD SEE THE VIDEO WE MADE AT THE INTERNATIONAL MOTORBIKE SHOW IN MILAN THIS MONTH. dacar test_18nov20111.pdf

...o'kay, it deserves another...

Dacar Power Charts: http://www.dacarmotorsport.com/site2011/uploads/72_o.jpg http://www.dacarmotorsport.com/site2011/uploads/73_o.jpg ...shedding some facts on the subject!

Been a bit naughty enquiring about the cost but thought 70% increase so interesting it had to be done - I'm guessing it might be reasonably easy to adapt to a V11!! In Sterling the price works out to be £5675 - this is cheap if comparasion on a £/hp basis, no? Performing all the head work, valve train gear, cams, lightened flywheel, exhaust system, lighter & stronger conrods, hi-comp pistons and custom ecu mapping etc., would cost substantially more and with all that may not even come close to the huge 70% increase. Or would that be wrong? David, the Dacar MotorSport Europe Sales Manager emailed the following: For sure questions and enquiries are for free!! :-) The main characteristics of the kit are: - auto installation at home - no modifications of the original bike (mechanical or electronical) - the kit completed of all: stainless steel exaust and intake manifolds, additional injectors, additional oil pump (for turbines), wastegate valve, exaust till the terminal, additional lambda sensor, intercoolers, additional ECU, new sparks. - the turbo kit gives to the bike more power but quite the same torque not to damage the transmission; the power curve is constant but not vertical. - especially with the bike at full load you can use the sixth gear al low speed and use the bike as a scooter; during the summer in altitude the engine is always full without poor intake power holes. The kit cost is 6.612 + shipping cost. Kind regards, Davide Davide Casetti Sales Manager Dacar MotorSport Europe

Hi fella's Well... are you thinking what I'm thinking? My link - WHY NOT?!!!

Men's Health Mag? Dood, waa-hey too much information!

Drop those MRM hi-comps in and it'll surely go for 16-five Mike hey!

Why not go the whole hog and bung this in too? My link

Cheap? Double the money of a Fat-Duc at 80 bucks! Does it do anything more or extra? If it does, then yes by all means. But does it? And is it plug & play? Got a sneaking suspicion this is'nt. I plugged a Fat-Duc into my Scura R and all I can affirm it richened up the fuel enough, on steady throttle under 4000rpm, to cure or diminish - depending how far you turn the setting, the occasional jerk/stumble/cough it would do after freeing up its nostrils with a Sprint Competition filter and M4 mufflers. No cutting wires and does what it says on the box. Both are cheapies - but plug & play cheapies tip it for me everytime. Then again, I try and fill up on BP Ultimate now instead of Shell Optimax. Even fuel can affect it sufficiently in my experience!

Well... I'm reporting back. But, did'nt finish my homework - got kinda sidetracked. Couple of years ago, I'd never even seen a V11 before being surprised at just how small the Scura R appeared being wheeled off van onto driveway. Later, rode down South of Biarritz in France for swim in the Atlantic before official start of our "Ocean to Sea" zig-zag blast thru the Pyrenees before symbolic swim in the Med to end fortnight trip before mad Peage/toll-roads dash back to Blighty - with a drunken plan formed to ride the Sahara desert... So, in March this year bought Quota 1100es in Germany (to protect the Scura R, darl') and in April was riding South through Morocco in search of desert sands. No knowledge - no tools, but full of joy. The two are parked side by side inside but when the lights go down, I have no idea what sort of fornication these things get up to... but these things breed! So friends - I'm here to report I've done gone and done it again, unridden, unseen. 'Cos two weeks ago not one, but two more little buggers got wheeled onto the drive at 9pm at night! A two owner, 18000 mile 'lil silvery-blue '81 V50 Monza followed by a white/red-frame '85 V65 TT with 14000 miles on the clock. Ummm, so does mean I've got the guzzi-rabies virus? When does the foaming start? Cheers! ScuRoo Scura R Quota 1100es V50 Monza V65 TT ...always wanted to do that - feels good too.

Just letting you know I enjoy your reports Orson. However, the best "WOW" curiosity pic for me of the sights available at Mandello was this one...

See for yourself...My link

Watch this & imagine the ride... Say fella's. This development is exciting - piston's, shaft-drive - thrusting Moto Guzzi light years forward. Modern packaging of old-school proven elements - but even better than Guzzi's W103 3-cylinder motor. Would you ride tomorrow?

Granda already? You look young enough to be his Da! Hair gives it away I 'spose...

Yeah baby! C'mon, ya gotta love that sound - just imagine replacing those stock cans for some aural-releasing M4's etc! Always thought this should have been the next evolutionary step for GUZZI! Am I gunna buy a Motus as is? Nope. What needs to be done for me to buy? Shaft it. SOLD.