ScuRoo

O'kay Roy, I'm not knocking anything you say. Ah's is only trying to get me here some learning. Eating into zed's looking but found this below on a way earlier posting with regards to sidestand. And, seems like omrons or MGR-C20 series relays are the way to go if upgrading relays. Other tips or hints certainly welcome for clearing roo's! Cheers! Jay From: Dan Prunuske Date: Thu Oct 9, 2003 8:58:48 PM US/Pacific To: MGCL@topica.com Subject: V11 Sport Wiring vs Relays Dave Laing recently contacted me regarding a failed Bosch starter relay on his V11 Sport. He thought the problem was that the Normally Closed terminal of the starter relay powered the headlights, not merely the coil of the headlight relay. I was skeptical (who would be so stupid?), but after checking the wiring diagram, he is correct. Worse, that terminal (rated at 10 amps) also powers the brake lights, the tach, the horn, some of the instrument lights, and is the reference voltage for the GEN lite! Arrrrgh. The high beam and the brake lights alone are about 9 amps, and imho, too much load on a 10 amp contact. (My normal rule of thumb is to use a relay capable of twice the anticipated load). So you ask, what controls the headlight relay? The stupid sidestand safety switch! Arrrgh. Nice going Guzzi. There is no horn relay - full current goes thru the switch. Loverly. Another buck saved. What to do? I'd suggest: 1. Install a horn relay. It's tolerable that this relay's coil is powered thru the headlight relay, but it's horn current should come from a fuse, not from the headlight relay. 2. Remove the white/green wire from terminal 87a of the starter relay and run it instead to Fuse 5 (this is the headlight power). Disconnect the orange/blue wire from terminal 85 of the headlight relay. Run a wire from terminal 85 of the headlight relay to terminal 87a of the starter relay. Now the only load on terminal 87a (the Normally Closed terminal) of the starter relay will be the coil for the headlight relay. The difference is now the headlight will still operate if the sidestand is down. Edit 10/12/03 Forget this option.(2.) After posting this, we discovered that it will not work....so go with option one or something else, like a higher rated relay, or a strategically wired additional relay. Until you fix this issue, avoid using the horn and the high beam flasher. And for what it is worth, the headlight is not deactivated by the kick stand switch. No doubt there are other improvements that could be made to this crappy wiring layout. For example, I'd be inclined to get at least the brake lights out of the headlight circuit. My mods suggested above should greatly extend the life of the starter relay. BTW, they are made on the assumption that the bike is actually wired as shown on the diagram. Bwa, ha, ha! Carl, may I presume that terminal 86 of the headlight relay is grounded? It's not shown as such on your diagram. Does anyone know which other relays on this model seem failure prone? Cheers, Dan

Thanks Roy for your first suggestion! I'm really by nature kinda one of those cost:time calculating impatient types, so I'm gunna just tell the service guy to change the relays just as a matter of course. So, what 'best' relay make should be bought in changing naturally begs the next question. Secondly, whilst I appreciate the right diagnostic & probably $cheapest way of your next suggestion; that ain't gunna happen in the top '3 or 4' things I'm really likely to do in the short term vis a vis jamming a wire up its clacker (not proud saying so - just being honest here). So, in just ASSUMING the sidestand switch IS at fault - what 'superior' switch/repair should be bought/done to just go ahead and fix it? Timewise, I'd rather just pay a little bit of extra money out too cover off any PESKY possible bases first, and if there is still a problem after all that, well... I'll probably be ground down in time, methinks! Once again, thanks Roy. Cheers! Jay Anymore pesky-type 'precautionary principle' low-cost solutions to be considered chap's?

Been looking for post's referring to similar problems but not having too much luck at moment. Could any of you fella's help? In June on 1st big bonding trip, did 3000 hard miles thru the Pyrenees on my Scura R (now with just over 5000 miles). Bike did not miss a BEAT! Bewdy. (Even felt as if it was loosening up some by end of trip). Now, last 2 small rides out - steadily riding along anywhere between 40-80mph & bike cuts out suddenly and unexpectedly. Couple of times managed to roll start before coming to a complete halt, and other times bike refused to fire. Getting dangerous now as yesterday whilst passing a van and - cut! - almost got hung out to dry. So, booked it in for service next week but would like to pass on any 'forum collective knowledge' hints or tips to Bikersworld of (electrical?) things to check or (sensibly) replace in order to most likely cure problem. Any learned guidance or first-hand experience with solution sought. Cheers fella's! Jay P.s. Please keep things simple for this guzzi acolyte as I'm really looking for the "top 3 or 4 most likely's..."

Always kinda thought GUZZI shoulda had their name on the motus V4. Same layout (with shaft), watercooled, grunt, noise, simplicity of design... natural path to evolve along is what I thought, oh well, hey ho!

Shucks Hubert Those Alaskan's are just so niice and purty lounging back on their woolly bear rug's... heck, they could even be mistook for Canadian's!!!

Piaggio attitude to Guzzi owner frustration? Here's the solution...

Glad you're asking... I'm (selfishly) intrigued to know how many Scura R's also were made! Cheers! ScuRoo

Sorry to be such a gherkin, but new at this game. Trying to attach a word doc of mine with picture and aren't having any luck just yet. I'll keep trying to figure things out but bit of guidance might help me get it up. Cheers!

Eight shipwrecked passengers washed onto a Pacific island - two Scotsmen, couple of Welshmen, Irish fella's and two Englishmen. Well, in no time at all the two Scot's had rigged up a brewing contraption and proceeded to get uproariously drunk! The two Welshmen meantime had formed a choral duet and were singing away at the top of their lungs! The Irishmen? Well they had already started fighting and punching the crap out of each other! And what were the two Englishmen up to? Well... they were still waiting to be introduced! Hiya chaps! Go easy now. That's just a little ice-breaker by way of introduction of myself. Hi! (waving) Yep. I've decided to humbly become an "Intiate" and join the lower ranks of the great hairy unwashed height's of Roper et al., of this world! By joining the lower ranks of this merry club of fawning apostolic cringer's in the face of true genius - hopefully one day I too can pass on all my hard-won, pilfered or loaned knowledge to the next nutter in say, about 20 years time - I'm looking forward to the journey! How did I get here? Well, 'ol story really. My mate with the long wan...w..way down GS goes "Go oonnn - get back in the saddle". So immediately one thing became crystal clear in a flash - there was no bloody way I was gunna get the same bike he was riding - I mean where's the fun in that? Question is, what do I get? So, after many rides of my 'puter I narrowed down a few options and fell on the V11. I mean, compared to other Japlastic's I thought it was just a real horny looking, interesting/quirky and apparently competent beast of machine. Basically, fell in lust... So, whilst not having seen one in the flesh or ridden one before, my research threw up a lovely little Scura R languishing with barely 2000 miles on the clock. Pristine. Baby, I didn't even wait to put a condom on... Cheers fella's! ScuRoo P.s. Are Scura R's numbered like Scura's are?