belfastguzzi

another different half-way house quite a lot of differences and is that a right-side side-stand (or just pipes/hoses)?

red bits

I was assuming it to be the pre-production model. It's from one of those sites that says it has 5 speed box, etc

or if they do the baby Griso:

Voxan, any chance? Wish they'd put it against a V.11 and a 1200Sport, to see what's what.

Just for fun, there's an interesting dedicated site here for the Metz M3

Depends what you mean by the 'right' size. The officially recommended size if you have an '04 would be a 180, wouldn't it? Some choose to fit a smaller section.

Beet's me.

So next month's (that's December in magazine land) Bike will have a Griso in the Big Test. Wonder what they're pitching it against? What do you think should be in the mix?

recipe hint Peche a la Frog

Well, yeah picture for the book cover

That can't be the write speeling, surely?

Come off it Ratchet, we're not allowing you that! **The trouble with yours is that it appears like it's trying to be something, while still looking like a big lump of carpet underlay. The 'quality' thing about the inner tube ones is that they are what they are, good honest functional hacks, without trying to look like factory product while falling short of the mark. In the mud catching dept. either Guzzi produces a proper solution, or it's gotta be flappy rubber tube. I was trying to remember who used the cut-up pig-feed bucket to make one?? That's close to acceptable. I must say, I'd like to see a decent home made hugger using an everyday object. **warning, I could be talking , y'know

Funny...that's what Moto Guzzi say too! PS there's gotta be the makings of a book (illustrated) in this subject. And study notes.

Rubbish! If a good, worthy bodge, the purchaser would be struck with admiration and an inner warmth from the knowledge that the previous owner gave time and care to surmount difficulties rather than ignore them. Wanna buy my bike? Ham-fisted blattering and over-reliance on string etc, etc, are a different class of work altogether and not to be confused with the craft of the b*dger. You're right about the rubber mud catcher. I was thinking that myself. Unfortunately it must be regarded as a 'lash-up', not a b*dg*.

Can you post a picture, if you get one?

You mean the clutch lever pulled in – or the clutch in, as in engaged, (and lever out) at idle? It's noisiest with clutch engaged - lever out. Do you equate this noise with damaging action, or do you mean something else? Noise continues at higher revs, though appears worse at low idle speed. Clutch lever in, clutch disengaged, cuts the noise – which gives the impression of being less damaging and for that reason I sometimes sit with lever pulled in, when at idle. You think that is wrong?

Be careful: your example isn't actually contradicting what I said about 'bodges should work, not be disasters', but some may be led to think that wholesale destruction is the same thing as a successful bodge. That would be wrong, of course. BTW, your story was a bit disappointing. I thought you were going to say that he drilled a hole through to the friction material – and then pumped oil in to free the plate. Yes, this is classic bodgery, because of course 'the olde inner tube' is one of the bodger-man's chief and most versatile resources. Almost any job utilising an old tube classifies as 'a good bodge', as long as you're not using it to inflate a tyre. Unfortunately, the 'pretend whiskey jar' in your photo is a less successful wheeze. It almost gives the air of a relaxed and confident fiddler, at home and at one with the grease stained workshop around him, however...it's quite plain that you printed the label yourself. Diet coke, cold tea???

Just plug and play. I did and most people do – most won't have the diagnostic equipment. Further tune-up can/should be done, but that's just the same as would be the case normally, whether you have the ti kit or not.

Sorry Tracey – these point things are harder to come by than you would think, though it's Nogbad's call, when he reappears. Where's an unofficial Moderator when you need one? What you did was practical mechanicing. True, bodging is an important speciality within the general field of practical mechanicing, but it does have to be a little bit special. If you hadn't been able to crack the clutch and had instead worked out a way to operate your clutchless machine on the public highway by some other means then that 'means' would be a worthy bodge. (BTW, I've known at least one machine where the clutch was so solidly bound that attempts to break it free caused the 'crack' to happen in a different, unintended, part of the transmission system.)

Great idea. There should be a 'Big Hammer' badge for people who use one to sort their V.11's. That's you and me then. Yeah. Though that 'definition' that I posted wasn't the , erm, proper one that I was referring to earlier. That definition could almost be considered a bodge (and therefore a point winner), but in fact it was more of a fiddle.

You mean just the inaccessible one, or can you not get onto any of them? There was talk of American fittings being sent over, as there hasn't been much success at finding anything useful here to reach the engine-end nipple. Solution is usually to resort to wheel etc. removal.

aye, here we go: bodger |?boj?r| noun a heavily built omnivorous nocturnal mammal, typically having a gray and black coat. • Several genera and species in the family Martin Barrett, in particular the Eurasian peecee plodus, which has a white head with two black stripes, and the North American CraazeeEnzo, with a white stripe on the head. verb [ trans. ] ask (someone) repeatedly and annoyingly for something; pester : "motocyclists bodgered motoguzzi about the warranties" ORIGIN early 16th cent.: perhaps from the moto guzzi Bordge touring cycle , with reference to its distinctive and rather haphazard clutch fastenings and 'any spring will do' approach. The verb sense (late 18th cent.) originates from the formerly popular sport of bodger baiting

WS! Bodges have to work, not be disasters. There are other words to describe those mess-ups. It's nice if they have some ingenuity too. Someone posted a bit of a definition – Nogbad?