The Verdict Is In: Sasquatch Exists, Oil Filters Spin Off, And I'm

[dlaing]

Did this come from Kids-R-Us?!

I guess you suceeded in embarassing me

No, I got it at Marshall's Industrial Hardware.

[Guest ratchethack]

I guess you suceeded in embarassing me

Truly sorry, Dave, that was NOT my intent. Plenty o embarrassment f'er meself on this one.

No, I got it at Marshall's Industrial Hardware.

THAT surprises me too. They generally have fairly high-grade tools. Caveat Emptor!

[dlaing]

Caveat Emptor!

I guess I should have spent more money.

It is good enough for more than 90% of my needs, but the other 10% are when it really matters.

So now that we have got that settled, I guess we now know there are some pretty serious variations in production of the ST3614.

FWIW my filter is brand new, but may have been sitting in garage for a year or two.

Is the filter you measured used?

The rubber could have swelled, but it would have swelled outward under compression:huh2:

I have a second filter that I can measure.

...back in a few minutes

EDIT...The second filter has the same measurements.

FWIW they are marked made in USA.

After I go through these two, that I bought at the Poway Walmart, I might consider splurging on Purolators.

I wonder if I torqued mine enough to bottom out

Can't wait to do another oil change to find out more!

[mike wilson]

It may be a semantic problem. When I think of "hand tightening" a filter, I think in terms of tightening "by hand" with a standard wrench and filter socket, as opposed to tightening with a torque wrench. It occurs to me that when others think of "hand tightening", they think in terms of tightening the filter directly with their hands. Of course, getting it adequately tight this way is challenging enough on the Guzzi even with the sump off, but with the sump ON, it's 100% impossible through the manhole cover! I've always used a filter socket on my filters and again, never had one loosen up, even the 2 UFI's I'd used. Even with the sump off, I use a filter socket. But that's just me.

 

FWIW, the term "hand tighten" in the UK has (AFAIK) always been meant as "without the use of tools". It's usually used as a means of desribing the taking up of slack.

[big J]

It's called "backpedalling furiously" Mike.

[mike wilson]

8-) I think of it more as wobbling disconcertingly through the minefield of semantics.

 

I'm saying nothing about bizarre verniers with non-standard readouts that make you have to _think_ about the measurements you are taking.....

[Guest ratchethack]

. . .I guess we now know there are some pretty serious variations in production of the ST3614.

The photo's of your filter itself look considerably different than mine. Yours looks like ones I've use before, but the ones I have in "spares stock" now have a thin gauge "cover" piece over the heavier gauge flange that yours doesn't appear to have at all, as mentioned previously, per Tom's comment about seeing thin gauge sheet metal he wasn't comfortable with & my reply comment that it's not a structural piece.

 

I strongly suspect that oil filters, like so many other high-volume commodity items, are subject to semi-regular "upgrades", as tooling gets changed out, engineering improvements are made, cost cutting measures are deployed, and suppliers go through the usual cycles. Makes it tough to know wot you've got relative to something that was tested long ago, eh? But waddayagonna do? I'll fall back on the reputation of the company and history of consistent quality based on testing, but that's just me.

 

I reckon one of the best things we can do is to monitor an International Forum and keep an eye peeled for frequency of problems in the World Community of users that we'd otherwise no doubt be completely unaware of.

FWIW my filter is brand new, but may have been sitting in garage for a year or two.

Is the filter you measured used?

I'm working off "shelf stock" of a pile of 'em I bought a few years back also. Yes, I used a new one to take my gasket measurements. IMHO measuring an old gasket wouldn't be very useful or significant.

. . .FWIW they are marked made in USA.

Per my background info on Champion Labs (see link in previous post), they're still made here in the USA as always. Some will find this comforting, others not, while there may be still others who prefer the quality of items manufactured offshore by slave labor.

 

With such a rich diversity of Guzzisti worldwide, there seems to be enough variability and choice in wot's availabe to satisfy just about everyone.

 

Ain't free market economies just a wonderful thing?

[Guest ratchethack]

FWIW, the term "hand tighten" in the UK has (AFAIK) always been meant as "without the use of tools". It's usually used as a means of desribing the taking up of slack.

I have to agree Mike. Seems I've been guilty AGAIN of dispensing BAD INFORMATION. The list must be getting pretty extensive by now. Check with Ryan, he's fully up to date on it, and as always, you can count on him f'er accuracy. Matter o' fact, seems like he's overdue for an update on this about now.

 

The mea culpa's have indeed seemed to be flowing fast and furious lately. I'll have to be on me best behavior from now on, lest I fall in league with the Philistines and disappear altogether.

 

My prior reference to "micro precision" wrist torquing seems to've been particularly offensive.

 

I think I've also referred to hand-torqing things, which is no doubt equally incorrect and egregious.

 

I assure you that I have no intention of deception, my friend. But if there's anyone who wants a band wagon to jump on over the idea of intent to deceive, malice aforethought, or other acts of malfeasance, and/or breach of the peace, I think Ryan's legal team might be working on putting together a class action suit.

 

Just tryin' to be of service to the Guzzi community in any way possible.

 

. . . In fondest hopes of making amends, y'unnerstand. . .

[helicopterjim R.I.P.]

I think Ryan's legal team might be working on putting together a class action suit.

 

 

As long as they are not getting a wedding tux ready .....!!!!

[Guest ratchethack]

John, I didn't measure the groove depth before, but I'm on it now. As Dave noted, it's different on the inside than on the outside. I read .155" on the outside and .130" on the inside.

John, if y'er still following this (my apologies again f'er all the unwarranted sturm und drang -- I reckon I had a real pantload goin' there. . . ) I'd be interested in your feedback on this.

 

Looks to me like the gasket groove is designed to deform the gasket so that at correct compression, the gasket extrudes inward against oil line pressure. Seems like a reasonable design approach to me.

 

Your take?

[badmotogoozer]

wedding?? not for this cowboy. I only keep wimmen for the summer.

 

And NO Ratch. I don't care how big the dowry is, I'm still not interested in whatever family members you are trying to flog off. How many times do I have to tell you??

 

Rj

[helicopterjim R.I.P.]

The size of the plate in this girls lip indicates the size of her dowry!

 

In men isn't it their show size? ..... or is that the size their .... oh darn, I forget now!

 

Anyways, who is going to measure the compression on those lip seals?

 

[Guest ratchethack]

. . .NO Ratch. I don't care how big the dowry is, I'm still not interested in whatever family members you are trying to flog off.

Ah, Ryan! You must be a busy man, I'd expected you 2 pages ago.

 

But that's to be expected. Y'er undoubtedly in high demand everywhere.

 

Nice of you to take the time to check in.

 

That's truly a shame WRT MY family members, and I am disappointed, but I understand completely. I'll break this news as gently and graciously as possible in an attempt to cushion the blow to the entire extended family.

 

However, by now you've certainly attracted the full attention of many others across the planet! Presumably, this represents potentially scores of OTHER bright-eyed nubile young hopefuls whose lovelorn, expectant hearts would be all a-flutter over the mere prospect of a single date with y'erself.

 

There comes a time when a man's well advised to yield to the yearning attentions of the fair sex, and with a virtual guarantee of a bevy of beauties on tap -- sometimes it's just best to give 'em wot they want and need so badly!

 

Please don't shut the door on wot just could, upon further exploration, become far more than just an adoring International fan base! Many's the accomplished, modest young bachelor such as y'erself who's head has been favorably turned, my friend. . .

 

. . .How many times do I have to tell you??

Well, once is usually sufficient, but I seem to've been a little out o' sorts lately.

 

Have I missed one o' yer brilliant trademark responses to one o' my posts?

 

Please kindly advise, I don't want to miss a single thing!

[badmotogoozer]

Ah, Ryan! You must be a busy man, I'd expected you 2 pages ago.

 

 

I'm rarely here on weekends. Weekends are for chasing cheap wimmen with low self esteem issues. They're not hard to find. Harder to get rid of by Monday.

 

Rj

[Guest ratchethack]

. . .Weekends are for chasing cheap wimmen with low self esteem issues. They're not hard to find. Harder to get rid of by Monday.

Hmm. I see.

 

Yeah, the ones with "issues" would be much more vulnerable and ripe f'er exploitation than those with mere "problems", wouldn't they?

 

Fightin' 'em off with a stick, eh?

 

Well, I s'pose that's always to be expected with a real babe magnet the likes o' yerself. . . .