Sidestand cutout switch

[Ballabio Bertie]

Bike wont rev out with stand down,reaches about 3000 rpm then misfires and will rev no more. Obvious suspect is stand cutout switch,my question is can it be bypassed,disconnected or removed? Bike is running fine otherwise (specially since I set the air screws to one turn out - the "mechanic "that did the last service had the left screw 3 turns and the right half a turn... ).

[edge]

Bike wont rev out with stand down,reaches about 3000 rpm then misfires and will rev no more. Obvious suspect is stand cutout switch,my question is can it be bypassed,disconnected or removed? Bike is running fine otherwise (specially since I set the air screws to one turn out - the "mechanic "that did the last service had the left screw 3 turns and the right half a turn... ).

 

I would not recommend switch removal based on a hard lesson shared on this forum. We had a member buy a LeMans and PO had removed the switch. All was good until one day he entered a LH sweeper with the stand down and it took the good doctor many months to heal both self and bike.

[dlaing]

Bike wont rev out with stand down,reaches about 3000 rpm then misfires and will rev no more. Obvious suspect is stand cutout switch,my question is can it be bypassed,disconnected or removed? Bike is running fine otherwise (specially since I set the air screws to one turn out - the "mechanic "that did the last service had the left screw 3 turns and the right half a turn... ).

That indicates the stand switch is functioning as designed and idle switch or relay would be suspect.

If neutral light cuts out at same time suspect neutral switch.

If neutral light stay lit, suspect relay.

[Skeeve]

Bike wont rev out with stand down,reaches about 3000 rpm then misfires and will rev no more. Obvious suspect is stand cutout switch,my question is can it be bypassed,disconnected or removed? Bike is running fine otherwise (specially since I set the air screws to one turn out - the "mechanic "that did the last service had the left screw 3 turns and the right half a turn... ).

 

Regular maintenance of said cutout [spritzing w/ WD40] might be a better alternative...

[Ballabio Bertie]

Thanks guys,culprit seems to have been bad connection at neutral switch.Cleaned,tightened and sprayed with WD40-all OK now.

[Guest ratchethack]

Regular maintenance of said cutout [spritzing w/ WD40] might be a better alternative...

Now wouldn't this Forum be as boring as Algore whinging on about northern seas filling up with dead baby polar bears due to loss of their iceberg habitat via global warming -- that is, unless we had disagreements amongst ourselves?!

 

Well, I reckon our differences here allow stuff to get aired out for analysis, which is actually occasionally educational and at least more stimulating than mindlessly sucking up baseless sales claims -- but I digress. . .

 

From several recent threads on the subject:

 

No professional electronics Tech worth his salt would ever get WD40 anywhere near any kind of electrical/electronic component. The long-term effects of WD40 on electrical contacts are well known, generally very detrimental to electrical/electronic gear, and it's never recommended by Pro's. Electricians and electronic Techs use stuff specifically designed for the task, such as Caig DeoxIT: http://www.caig.com/.

 

NOTE: Caig Laboratories is located within miles of where I live, but I have NO interests in, or associations with the company. It's just one example of many providers of contact cleaner. I've used many kinds of contact cleaners for years, primarily CRC: http://www.crcindustries.com/catalog/image...asers/02130.jpg

[jrt]

hmmm, I'd have gone with disabling the cutout. But- that's just me.

[Ballabio Bertie]

hmmm, I'd have gone with disabling the cutout. But- that's just me.

Yes,that was my first thought,there has been much ranting about the "nanny state" on other threads here but my bike is a prime example of it. How? Cant start up without pulling clutch,cant engage gear with stand down,cant even turn lights off.....Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

[chris a]

Now wouldn't this Forum be as boring as Algore whinging on about northern seas filling up with dead baby polar bears due to loss of their iceberg habitat via global warming --

 

I'm really sorry to get off topic here but I find comments like these both offensive and moronic. What the f--k has this got to do with motorcycles ??!! With all your virtuoso rantings I would have thought that you ,Ratchethack, would have a little more intelligence allthough I am amazed at how many people who post on biker forums do not seem to give a s---e about the(ir) environment and are only too willing to have a pop at those who do try to care.Sad to say that the image from the sixties and seventies was that 'bikers" = neanderthal and comments like these tend to prove a point.

To get back to topic I would disable the cut out as I allways have done on my Guzzies. Sooner or later they go south when it is least convenient .Just don't forget the stand.

[Guest ratchethack]

I'm really sorry to get off topic here but I find comments like these both offensive and moronic. What the f--k has this got to do with motorcycles ??!! With all your virtuoso rantings I would have thought that you ,Ratchethack, would have a little more intelligence allthough I am amazed at how many people who post on biker forums do not seem to give a s---e about the(ir) environment and are only too willing to have a pop at those who do try to care.Sad to say that the image from the sixties and seventies was that 'bikers" = neanderthal and comments like these tend to prove a point...

Well, Chris. It seems you're late to the party here. Yeah, I confess, I love to take a poke at the silly fools "we're the only people who try to care [sob]", (gag me) who've fallen hard for the biggest Hard Left Socialist Enviro-Fraud Extortion ploy in the history of the planet. I even go out of my way to do so, since somebody's just gotta do it, and I don't mind the silly feedback wotsoever. In fact, I find it most amusing to occasionally flush out the fools, for the purpose of monitoring the extent to which so many are so easily led.

 

If you'd been around at all a year ago, Chris, you'd have no doubt noticed a nearly year-long debate on Global Warming on the "Banter" Forum. In this debate, your position was shredded and exposed as nothing but the hot air it is at it's core by legitimate science as well as legitimate journalism, as opposed to the government propaganda, Left Wing Marxist Eco-Nazi junk science (aka "consensus science") that you've obviously fallen for. You'd have seen the list of well over 40 separate legitimate sources I provided easily verifiable access to that have scientifically and rationally debunked the nonsense of Algore and his non-thinking, child-like lemming stooges. You'd have learned why Algore has consistently refused to debate the topic publicly on multiple International venues -- for good reason. You'd have seen the persistent claim of other fools such as yourself that every one of my legitimate scientific sources provided in the debate was funded by Exxon/Mobil. You'd have seen propaganda separated from legitimate hard science as my challenge to provide ANY backup for that claim wotsoever went unmet, and that after more than 6 months there wasn't ONE SINGLE legitimate backup provided from any source wotsoever. Oh, that was just one of many many such follies that you'd no doubt have had a spectacular conniption over. It would've been fun.

 

You might've learned a few things, Chris. If you're sincerely interested and ask Jaap nicely, maybe he'll give you access to that thread. I know he's got it archived off-line. Alas and alack, in the end, it was posts like yours above (and on the same pitiful side of the debate, with the same pathetically ridiculous arguments) that eventually crossed the line and caused Jaap to rightfully and mercifully pull it after it had heaped itself up into a morass of thuddingly idiotic emotional rubbish from the cry-babies without an argument to stand on.

 

It'll be interesting to see if you lefty stooges in France can keep yanking your Nation Hard Left now that your Party has substantially imploded under the weight of its own Marxist realities in the last election cycle. Ever notice that Eastern Europe is going in the opposite direction than YOU are -- you see, the remaining voting public in the Nations there have somehow survived Socialism, their parents having been foolish enough to have fallen for wholly fabricated propaganda (different times, different channels, same modus operadi), and welcomed it at first -- exactly the way you are doing now.

 

The latest two generations in Eastern Europe have NO interest in being subjected to anything like it -- ever again. The difference between them and yourself is that unlike yourself, they refuse to allow themselves to become dumbed-down enough by propaganda to fail to recognize what's happening right under their noses, and they know the history first-hand that your revisionists have re-written for you.

 

BTW -- though a pure Socialist model for final National ruin may well engulf France in the form of the EU -- nothing like it will ever happen here. Even with incompetent Globalists like Dubya at the helm.

 

I doubt you'd be interested enough to read it, but just in case, Anatole Kaletsky of the UK's Times Online had a pretty good take on why this is true. See summary with pertinent points highlighted at link here (link to original source article also provided):

 

http://www.itssd.org/Issues/Why%20American...ism%20Fails.pdf

 

Bon chance, mon ami.

[badmotogoozer]

In this debate, your position was shredded and exposed as nothing but the hot air it is at it's core by legitimate science as well as legitimate journalism,

 

No it wasn't. No hard irrefutable evidence was presented by either side. That is why the debate went on for over a year.

 

Rj

[GuzziHutch]

Dang. I thought I was in "V11 - Technical Topics." Not all this horse hooey..........

[jrt]

Agreed- let's stick to the topic, gents. Take the banter to the banter section.

[Skeeve]

 

No professional electronics Tech worth his salt would ever get WD40 anywhere near any kind of electrical/electronic component. The long-term effects of WD40 on electrical contacts are well known, generally very detrimental to electrical/electronic gear, and it's never recommended by Pro's. Electricians and electronic Techs use stuff specifically designed for the task, such as Caig DeoxIT: http://www.caig.com/.

 

Well, maybe not electronics [delicate things that they are], but thank heavens we're talking electrical connections, and real world uses. WD40 is for water-displacement. Hitting the switch w/ contact cleaner after the fact is all well & good, but first things first: before you can cure, you should prevent.

 

In all reality, it would be best if kick-stand switches came w/ gold-plated contacts, so the corrosion issue would be moot, but until then, hit it w/ WD40 after ever ride in the wet, & w/ contact cleaner once a year or so & all should be well...

 

Sorry if my suggestion for WD40 sounded like using it as a contact cleaner; I suspected that there was still water in the switch after the wet ride, causing spurious grounding of the switch.

 

Ride on,

[Guest ratchethack]

WD40 is for water-displacement. Hitting the switch w/ contact cleaner after the fact is all well & good, but first things first: before you can cure, you should prevent.

Skeeve, the reason I whinge on about this is that it's one o' my pet peeves.. Yep, I got a passel o' 'em. . .

 

The stuff was developed by 3 guys in a garage in San Diego in 1953. From my knowledge of electronics, which is strictly amateur at best, I highly suspect that Water Displacement in 1953 probably had a more primitive meaning than it does 54 years later when it comes to electronics. When the Navy and Convair picked up on it, this gave the company it's first Big Break. The Navy boys and Convair had been using MEK to clean everything in sight. This is the stuff they used to degrease huge analog circuit boards on the assembly lines. Today's digital equivalents put entire banks of industrial racks of these boards on one chip. Frankly, from speaking with a few of the old codgers, I think the fumes had scrambled their brains. Water Displacement WD-40 was deemed "safe" and seemed like a godsend in comparison. The rest is history.

 

I'm not saying that WD-40 is a bad product, nor that it dosen't have proper uses. I just happen to believe by personal experience that there are superior alternatives in many, of not most situations where it's actually used, contact cleaning and electrics/electronics being just one of many.

Sorry if my suggestion for WD40 sounded like using it as a contact cleaner; I suspected that there was still water in the switch after the wet ride, causing spurious grounding of the switch.

Your suggestion was not a bad one IMHO, but I can't hardly resist an opportunity to steer those who might otherwise stretch a perception of its use in this case to ruin electronics. This happens so often in my experience that I believe (as more than one Electronics Tech has told me) that the stuff kills more electronics than any other single cause. . .