luhbo Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 You could put row one to 800 or so to avoid this (personally never had a problem with kick back). Then put its ignition advance to 20° for instance and you'll have some nice idle stabilisation. Nevertheless, transition from cranking to running may become tricky this way. Besides that, this is page 8 now, there should not be too many questions left about what makes the text in the map. Hubert
greenmonster Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Duc 900ie has 1000RPM/10 degrees in first row so there are some variations. Anyway, thx f info, just wanted to clear this bit up f me & maybe other newbies. We are among other things trying to create a How To/FAQ/more explicit manual here.
pasotibbs Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 I've had kick back with mine from day one, if the battery isn't 100% I can't start the bike, but it starts fine with the old ECU ! I tried changing the Advance values etc with some success but I've not found a complete cure...yet I suspect it may be as much to do with the cold start enrichment as anything but finding the solution is proving difficult, I suspect the 500 and 1000 columns may need attention, I'm using the injection and timing values from the 1100 sporti map that Raz posted and so far starting does appear improved but we'll see.... This is the map currently on my bike. Static Config TDC=0x1600, CylOffs=270, PulsesPer=48, MissingPulses=3,CoilCharge0=6000,CoilCharge1=2700 Pressure=249mV,121mB,4199mV,1060mB My16M Config RPM=8223, O2=0.00V,-2.25V,-2.15V,-2.05V,-1.96V,-1.86V,-1.76V,-1.66V, TPS=103 TDCWhileCranking=0 AnalogTracking=1 THR 887 727 640 576 512 448 384 320 256 192 128 96 64 32 0 RPM 500 1100 1500 1801 2000 2302 2601 2900 3360 3654 4045 4655 5353 6157 7082 8143 SpkAdv 14 8.67 5.16 10.08 15.70 18.28 21.80 22.03 26.25 27.66 27.66 28.13 33.05 35.16 35.16 35.16 35.16 SpkAdv 13 8.67 5.16 10.08 15.70 18.28 21.80 22.50 26.25 27.89 27.89 28.59 33.05 35.16 35.16 35.16 35.16 SpkAdv 12 8.67 5.16 10.31 15.94 18.28 21.80 22.50 26.48 29.06 29.06 29.77 32.81 34.92 35.16 35.16 35.16 SpkAdv 11 8.67 5.16 10.31 15.94 18.28 21.33 22.73 26.48 30.23 30.47 30.70 32.81 34.92 35.16 35.16 35.16 SpkAdv 10 8.67 5.16 10.55 16.17 18.28 21.33 22.73 26.72 30.47 30.94 30.70 33.05 34.92 35.16 35.16 35.16 SpkAdv 09 8.67 5.16 10.55 16.17 18.52 21.56 22.73 26.72 31.88 33.05 33.28 35.39 37.27 37.50 37.50 37.50 SpkAdv 08 8.67 5.16 10.78 16.41 18.52 21.56 22.97 26.72 33.05 33.75 35.86 37.73 39.61 39.84 39.84 39.84 SpkAdv 07 8.67 5.16 10.78 16.41 18.52 21.80 24.14 26.95 32.58 34.69 36.33 39.14 40.31 41.02 41.02 41.02 SpkAdv 06 8.67 5.16 10.78 16.64 18.75 21.80 24.14 27.19 33.28 35.39 38.91 40.78 41.72 42.66 42.66 42.66 SpkAdv 05 8.67 5.16 11.02 16.64 19.69 23.44 27.66 29.77 35.63 39.38 42.42 44.30 45.70 45.23 45.23 45.23 SpkAdv 04 8.67 5.16 11.25 18.75 22.27 26.02 29.06 31.17 36.56 39.61 42.42 44.30 45.70 45.23 45.23 45.23 SpkAdv 03 8.67 5.16 13.13 19.22 24.61 27.42 30.94 32.34 36.56 39.61 42.66 44.53 45.70 45.23 45.23 45.23 SpkAdv 02 8.67 5.63 13.13 20.39 24.14 29.06 31.41 32.58 36.56 39.84 42.66 44.53 45.70 45.23 45.23 45.23 SpkAdv 01 8.67 6.09 13.13 20.86 25.08 29.30 31.88 33.28 36.56 39.84 42.89 44.77 45.70 45.23 45.23 45.23 SpkAdv 00 8.67 8.67 13.59 14.30 25.31 29.30 31.88 33.28 36.56 40.08 42.89 44.77 45.70 45.23 45.23 45.23 RPM 500 1100 1500 1801 2000 2302 2601 2900 3360 3654 4045 4655 5353 6157 7082 8143 InjAdv 14 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 13 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 480 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 12 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 11 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 10 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 09 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 08 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 07 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 06 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 05 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 04 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 03 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 02 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 01 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 InjAdv 00 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 RPM 500 1100 1500 1801 2000 2302 2601 2900 3360 3654 4045 4655 5353 6157 7082 8143 InjDur 14 5232 12992 12912 12608 12448 12256 12416 13600 13696 13392 13104 12288 12736 13952 13952 12992 InjDur 13 5232 12944 12864 12560 12384 12224 12128 12640 12624 12672 12176 11808 12240 13760 13296 12768 InjDur 12 5232 12848 12736 12448 12272 12128 11440 12400 10928 11952 11472 11200 11552 13552 11936 12192 InjDur 11 5232 12512 12400 12208 10880 10768 11008 11360 11168 11040 10336 10368 10640 11568 8896 9952 InjDur 10 5232 12272 12176 12096 11616 10176 10896 10672 10288 9936 9584 8272 9136 9472 7952 8256 InjDur 09 5232 10848 10768 10064 10768 10304 9488 9712 9632 9216 8832 6896 8048 7344 6880 6848 InjDur 08 5232 9376 9312 9152 9088 8576 8016 8416 8224 7840 7040 6720 6240 6192 6000 5424 InjDur 07 5232 9248 9040 7408 8320 8048 7888 8144 7840 7088 6656 6112 5936 6000 5360 5264 InjDur 06 5232 9072 8608 7280 7328 6816 6800 6896 6608 6880 6080 5440 5456 5472 5008 5120 InjDur 05 5232 8320 6864 6464 6400 6016 6224 5040 4784 6176 5888 4896 4848 5136 4544 4048 InjDur 04 5232 6736 5968 5648 5728 5472 5472 5104 5440 5504 5200 4368 4144 4560 4080 3808 InjDur 03 5232 5488 5136 5280 5040 5008 4656 4960 4256 4768 4624 3984 3776 3840 3520 3488 InjDur 02 5280 5152 4544 4480 4096 4288 4240 3728 4192 4112 3888 3168 3072 3232 3088 3472 InjDur 01 5376 4528 4256 4032 3920 3648 3360 2736 2880 2928 2832 2288 2080 2112 2128 2064 InjDur 00 3632 3632 2768 2560 2544 2528 2592 2496 2416 2560 2944 2960 2736 2896 2240 1888 RPM 500 1100 1500 1801 2000 2302 2601 2900 3360 3654 4045 4655 5353 6157 7082 8143 CylOfs 14 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 13 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 12 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 11 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 10 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 09 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 08 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 07 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 06 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 05 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 04 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 03 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 02 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 01 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 CylOfs 00 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 RPM 500 1100 1500 1801 2000 2302 2601 2900 3360 3654 4045 4655 5353 6157 7082 8143 Flags 14 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) Flags 13 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) Flags 12 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) Flags 11 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) Flags 10 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) Flags 09 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) Flags 08 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) Flags 07 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) Flags 06 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) Flags 05 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) Flags 04 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) Flags 03 (O0) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O5) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) Flags 02 (O0) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) Flags 01 (O0) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) (O4) Flags 00 (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) (O0) #Temp C -30 -20 -10 0 10 20 25 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 110 125 TempR 51466 28618 16571 9712 5956 3742 2991 2408 1597 1077 746 524 375 274 203 152 102 Prime 30 25 20 15 12 11 9 8 7 6 5 4 Crank 65 60 55 50 45 40 35 30 25 15 10 10 10 10 10 0
greenmonster Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Just a comparison, from my OEM 907 ign map, 1st vertical row TPS, 1200 ideal idle: 600 799 1000 1199 0 3 12 10 10 1 3 12 10 10 3 3 12 11 11 4 3 12 11 12 8 3 14 14 14 11 3 14 14 16 It do start easily w that. So there row 600 f is starting & 799 f stabilizing idle? Lower than 800RPM it just wont run. 0 row, 42 max advance WOT etc makes this an unusual map indeed. Maybe 3-5 degrees in row 500 is good f starting? Quite different fr the 900ie OEM: 1000 1200 2,6 10 83,2 10 84,0 10 85,0 10 116,0 10 127,2 10 129,5 12 1211,9 12 12 Cranking advance: 10 degrees.
Cliff Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 My16M Config RPM=8223, O2=0.00V,-2.25V,-2.15V,-2.05V,-1.96V,-1.86V,-1.76V,-1.66V, TPS=103 TDCWhileCranking=0 AnalogTracking=1 You should try TDCWhileCranking=1 if you haven't already. When did you get your My15M? There have been some improvements made to improve low battery conditions. Some may apply to yours.
pasotibbs Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 You should try TDCWhileCranking=1 if you haven't already. When did you get your My15M? There have been some improvements made to improve low battery conditions. Some may apply to yours. I've just changed the TDC setting to off recently to see what effect it had having noticed that the 1100 Sporti map that Raz posted was set up this way(I'm also using the injection and timing values),I need to let the battery discharge a little to be sure but it did seem better, but I suspect as the battery was fully charged it may not be the case. I've had the ECU approx 2yrs so I assume its reasonably up to date?
Cliff Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 I've had the ECU approx 2yrs so I assume its reasonably up to date? Send me a high res pic from this location (no connector in my shot) I think a lot of the newer bikes seem to have a constant load on the battery. If it is not ridden daily you should put in on a charger before starting.
greenmonster Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Tip I got: # Cliff now uses coilcharge1=2700MyECU Cfg CoilCharge0=6000,CoilCharge1=2500 Is this true for most of us, both MyP8 & My 15/16M owners?
raz Posted March 1, 2009 Author Posted March 1, 2009 I've just changed the TDC setting to off recently to see what effect it had having noticed that the 1100 Sporti map that Raz posted was set up this way I guess you're thinking of Nigel's map (which I posted). FWIW I have always used TDCWhileCranking=1.
raz Posted March 1, 2009 Author Posted March 1, 2009 Tip I got:# Cliff now uses coilcharge1=2700MyECU Cfg CoilCharge0=6000,CoilCharge1=2500 Is this true for most of us, both MyP8 & My 15/16M owners? If I understand it right, a higher number is better (more powerful spark) but will put more stress on the coil, and a too high number may destroy it. I wonder how one could try out a higher number. Measuring temperature of coil after some running at high rpm? Or does the coil manufacturer specify a limit?
Cliff Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 Is this true for most of us, both MyP8 & My 15/16M owners? If I understand it right, a higher number is better (more powerful spark) but will put more stress on the coil, and a too high number may destroy it. I wonder how one could try out a higher number. Measuring temperature of coil after some running at high rpm? Or does the coil manufacturer specify a limit? Its the FET that is the weak link. I let the MyP8 driver longer because it has external boosters.
raz Posted March 2, 2009 Author Posted March 2, 2009 So assuming 2,700 µs is short enough not to cook stuff even at sustained near-redline speeds, we could in theory use 5,400 µs at 4,000 rpm or 10,800 µs at 2,000 rpm with the same need for power dissipation. Would that be of any benefit? Also, we could use 20,000 µs or more for cranking (my map use 6,000) with less stress [over time] than the above, but that is probably way beyond the point there is more pain than gain. And the power is drawn from the battery while cranking... Just thinking loud. I don't think I'm on to something
luhbo Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 .... I don't think I'm on to something Probably not, yes. It only takes a certain time to get a coil completely charged, more than that is useless. Hubert
Cliff Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 The coils are 0.7ohm so at 14V the will run to 20A. This is 2x what the FET will take continuous. So there's a maximum time before the FET current rating is exceeded and the FETs have a burst current rating. I prefer to err on the lowest setting.
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