Progressive fork springs: One size DOES NOT fit all.

[docc]

None of my beer sits around long enough to sour. At any temperature, Fahrenheit or Celsius.

 

Maybe if I'd set that '75 Cafe Gold Wing up with straights instead of progressives, I'd still have the thing . . .

 

 

 

. . . nah.

[Guest ratchethack]

Let's put a stake through the heart of one more persistent Great Whallopping popular delusion on this topic, shall we?

 

 

Klaus Huenecke, of Wilbers USA, the former US Rep of Wilbers products, has had a falling out with Wilbers over the usual dispute on an exclusive. As a result, Klaus fully supports the Wilbers products he has always sold and supported, but will no longer be supplying Wilbers products. Klaus now has an arrangement with Hyperpro, and (as always) provides full spec info on his products.

 

Klaus promptly provided the rate range of Hyperpro springs in answer to my email inquiry (immediately below), just like he did with the Wilbers springs I purchased from him some 5 years back.

 

Thank you for your interest in our Hyperpro spring kits.

 

The kit SP-MG11-SSA 002 for the V 11 Sport is $ 139.00. It comes with oil.

 

The rising rate – progressive springs have a rate of 7.2 to 15.0 N/mm or Kg/cm

Klaus has always been direct, honest, knowledgeable, and responsive with me in the past on both my fork springs and a full custom order shock. He's clearly NOT engaging in some sleazy attempt to hawk a mismatch of rate to load by selling some false notion that "one size fits all".

 

Though Hyperpro only offers ONE spring rate for the V11, there is NO false advertising in any part of their sales and marketing material, nor by Klaus to suggest fraud or misrepresentation of products here. If a rider is so ignorant about springs as not to care to inquire about spring rates before ordering, this is a personal problem -- not a supplier or a product problem. As always, when dealing with any product, OEM, reseller, or dealer, caveat emptor.

 

If the rate of Hyperpro springs doesn't fit your objectives (they don't fit mine), I suggest you find another supplier who provides a rate that does. If you can't find a way to get around silly EU regulations to get a spring rate, I suggest you make an inquiry outside the EU.

 

Seems simple enough to me.

[luhbo]

Simple only for you.

 

This simply proofs that they are trying to fool their customers. Otherwise they wouldn't advertise with "The proper HyperPro spring for the V11 from 99 to 04 including the heavier LeMans is exactly the one with the number xy".

 

Your friend Kurt is of the same quality, btw.

 

That's simple, isn't it?!

 

Hubert

Edited November 3, 2009 by luhbo

[Guest ratchethack]

Many popular delusions die very, very hard, indeed. . .

 

Interesting perspective, Hubert. Who's Kurt??

 

What seems simple enough here is that you evidently have a serious perception problem that may be symptomatic of paranoia.

 

Tell me now. If a mfgr of springs only offered one spring rate choice for a particular Guzzi model, such as at this link:

 

http://shop.wp-germany.com/index.php/cat/c...---DAYTONA.html

 

Where we find an offer of only one available straight rate spring from WP for '94-'95 Guzzi Daytona and Sport. . .

 

Is this also "proof" that WP is trying to improperly exploit the ignorance of their customers and fool them into believing blindly that "one size fits all" -- or does the exact same "proof" only apply to mfgr's of progressive rate springs?

 

Enquiring minds. . . (well, you know) . . .

[GuzziMoto]

Actually, HatchetWacker, if the picture can be believed those WP springs are progressive springs. But how could you have known that?

The reality of owning an obscure bike like a Guzzi means that things like finding the right rate springs for your forks is much harder then when you own a modern Honkawazukiha sport bike. As Greg put it, often you must figure out what springs from another bike will work in your Guzzi. It comes down to talking to some one who knows springs and giving them the diameter of your springs as well as the length and weights of the bike and you. Hopefully they will be able to find something that will meet your needs. But this is not something you are likely to find just posted on a web site with a price.

You need to call a suspension specialist and talk to them.

[Guest ratchethack]

Actually, HatchetWacker, if the picture can be believed those WP springs are progressive springs. But how could you have known that?

The reality of owning an obscure bike like a Guzzi means that things like finding the right rate springs for your forks is much harder then when you own a modern Honkawazukiha sport bike. As Greg put it, often you must figure out what springs from another bike will work in your Guzzi. It comes down to talking to some one who knows springs and giving them the diameter of your springs as well as the length and weights of the bike and you. Hopefully they will be able to find something that will meet your needs. But this is not something you are likely to find just posted on a web site with a price.

You need to call a suspension specialist and talk to them.

. . . [sigh] . . . here comes Quazimodo again, with more empty spewage.

 

 

Getting your bell rung too many times will eventually take a heavy toll. . .

 

Are you suggesting that WP is selling straight rate springs with a photo of progressive springs?? What possible point could you be attempting to make here??

 

If you had enough self control to attempt an understanding of what you're talking about before spewing nonsense, you'd have noticed at the WP site that the link above is a page on WP's original factory replacement springs, which are straight rate.

 

Methinks you need to find a touchy-feely couch jockey and get some counseling. . .

[GuzziMoto]

. . . [sigh] . . . here comes Quazimodo again, with more empty spewage. <_>

 

 

Getting your bell rung too many times will eventually take a heavy toll. . .

 

Are you suggesting that WP is selling straight rate springs with a photo of progressive springs?? What possible point could you be attempting to make here??

 

If you had enough self control to attempt an understanding of what you're talking about before spewing nonsense, you'd have noticed at the WP site that the link above is a page on WP's original factory replacement springs, which are straight rate.

 

Methinks you need to find a touchy-feely couch jockey and get some counseling. . .

I am pointing out that the link you posted had a set of springs for sale. The picture of the springs for sale in the link was a picture of progressive springs. This is what I said and I'll say it again if you like. I don't doubt that you cannot tell the difference between straight rate springs and progressive springs so I thought I would help you out. The pictured springs are progressive springs. Whether the picture is representative of the actual springs they are selling I don't know. But the picture clearly shows progressive springs. I take no responsibility for a link YOU posted, I am merely pointing out that the "straight rate" springs YOU posted a link to are shown in a picture on that link as progressive springs.

[Dan M]

I am pointing out that the link you posted had a set of springs for sale. The picture of the springs for sale in the link was a picture of progressive springs. This is what I said and I'll say it again if you like. I don't doubt that you cannot tell the difference between straight rate springs and progressive springs so I thought I would help you out. The pictured springs are progressive springs. Whether the picture is representative of the actual springs they are selling I don't know. But the picture clearly shows progressive springs. I take no responsibility for a link YOU posted, I am merely pointing out that the "straight rate" springs YOU posted a link to are shown in a picture on that link as progressive springs.

 

 

Frigging hair splitting again. WP is simply using a generic image of fork springs. Click on any bike on that site and it is the same image. Do you really think they should photograph each and every part number? Why?

Reminds me of another excitable boy around the net.

[Guest ratchethack]

. . . [empty spewage] . . . I am merely pointing out that the "straight rate" springs YOU posted a link to are shown in a picture on that link as progressive springs.

If you're sincerely offended by WP's ad photo quality, why don't you send them some equally offensive and whiny feedback via email? Maybe they'll change their Web site just for you?

 

I thought I'd already seen the pinnacle of petty idiocy on this Forum, but never dreamed the real peak was looming up behind the whole time. . .

[luhbo]

Many popular delusions die very, very hard, indeed. . .

 

Interesting perspective, Hubert. Who's Kurt??

....

 

Ouh, fogg Klaus! Can happen. The German names, you know.

 

I've been on the provided side. The spring itself is nothing special, the same thing as in the other thread and on the other pages. No serious business, right.

More interesting is the oil they sell as combo. Oil with added ""Low coefficients of frictiori"". Ain't that a thing? Ratchet, you have a lucky hand with the links you provide fom time to time.

 

This shop looks similar:

You bought your springs there, Ratchet?

 

Hubert

[GuzziMoto]

Frigging hair splitting again. WP is simply using a generic image of fork springs. Click on any bike on that site and it is the same image. Do you really think they should photograph each and every part number? Why?

Reminds me of another excitable boy around the net.

 

It is not "hair splitting" to point out that the springs HatchetWacker posted a link to and made a point of saying they were straight rate springs appear to indeed be progressive springs. In fact, here is a bit more info on the WP Pro-Line springs which seems to clearly refer to them as "progressive" springs.

http://www.wpsuspension.com/products/forksprings.php

Post something to support what you are saying or STFU.

[GuzziMoto]

If you're sincerely offended by WP's ad photo quality, why don't you send them some equally offensive and whiny feedback via email? Maybe they'll change their Web site just for you?

 

I'd thought I'd seen the pinnacle of petty idiocy on this Forum before, but never dreamed the real peak was looming up behind the whole time. . .

Just doing my part to make sure that when you post inaccurate info on subjects you know little about that you are called on it.

If you would stop posting things you do not know much about and stick to what you do know I wouldn't have to go thru all this trouble.

[Steve G.]

Let's put a stake through the heart of one more persistent Great Whallopping popular delusion on this topic, shall we?

 

 

Klaus Huenecke, of Wilbers USA, the former US Rep of Wilbers products, has had a falling out with Wilbers over the usual dispute on an exclusive. As a result, Klaus fully supports the Wilbers products he has always sold and supported, but will no longer be supplying Wilbers products. Klaus now has an arrangement with Hyperpro, and (as always) provides full spec info on his products.

 

Klaus promptly provided the rate range of Hyperpro springs in answer to my email inquiry (immediately below), just like he did with the Wilbers springs I purchased from him some 5 years back.

 

Thank you for your interest in our Hyperpro spring kits.

 

The kit SP-MG11-SSA 002 for the V 11 Sport is $ 139.00. It comes with oil.

 

The rising rate – progressive springs have a rate of 7.2 to 15.0 N/mm or Kg/cm

Klaus has always been direct, honest, knowledgeable, and responsive with me in the past on both my fork springs and a full custom order shock. He's clearly NOT engaging in some sleazy attempt to hawk a mismatch of rate to load by selling some false notion that "one size fits all".

 

Though Hyperpro only offers ONE spring rate for the V11, there is NO false advertising in any part of their sales and marketing material, nor by Klaus to suggest fraud or misrepresentation of products here. If a rider is so ignorant about springs as not to care to inquire about spring rates before ordering, this is a personal problem -- not a supplier or a product problem. As always, when dealing with any product, OEM, reseller, or dealer, caveat emptor.

 

If the rate of Hyperpro springs doesn't fit your objectives (they don't fit mine), I suggest you find another supplier who provides a rate that does. If you can't get around silly EU regulations to get a spring rate, I suggest you make an inquiry outside the EU.

 

Seems simple enough to me.

 

 

Global Warming anyone?????? <_>

 

 

 

Steve

[Greg Field]

Or tree-frog spunk vs. yak fat.

 

Talk about psychological nudity . . . whoa shit.

[GuzziMoto]

Are you suggesting that WP is selling straight rate springs with a photo of progressive springs?? What possible point could you be attempting to make here??

:

No I am not suggesting that WP is selling straight rate springs with a photo of progrssive springs. You suggested that, likely unknowingly, as you may not be able to tell the difference between the two.

My point is that the "straight rate" springs you posted a link to as an example of "one size fits all" straight rate springs are in fact progressive springs. I don't have an issue with WP's web site. It only took me 3 minutes to find out that the springs you linked to were indeed progressive springs.