belfastguzzi Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJD92H7oADs I wonder what this is saying about motorbikes (and it's a bit hard to spot the bikes in there) and about Guzzi? Only wondering a little bit, mind, not a lot. What does it say to you?
Guzzirider Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 I'm sure a good time was had by all but reminds me why I like to go in late June when it's warm and quiet with no queues. I really dislike that Racer thing with the tin foil on the tank.
Baldini Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 ...What does it say to you? Nothing much. Guess they're trying to encourage some kind of Harley-style branding - to me they have the whole thing arse-about - but what do I know. Just give us a decent motorcycle. @#!#$# the rest. Deep Vibrations? Shallow Rattlings! If a Ducati 916 is Angelina Jolie, the V7Racer is Dame Edna Everage. KB
gstallons Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 Well, Dame Edna pees standing up................
Orson Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 Guess they're trying to encourage some kind of Harley-style branding - to me they have the whole thing arse-about - but what do I know. That's exactly what I thought when I read the "Deep Vibrations" banner... A little too close to Harley's "Days of Thunder" <_>
Lucky Phil Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 Jeez what a sorry arsed bunch MG riders can be.That looked like a fantastic thing to go to. Ever heard of the concept of taking out of it what you dig and ignoring the rest. Sorry I missed it. Ciao Phil
belfastguzzi Posted November 27, 2011 Author Posted November 27, 2011 Jeez what a sorry arsed bunch MG riders can be.That looked like a fantastic thing to go to. Ever heard of the concept of taking out of it what you dig and ignoring the rest. Sorry I missed it. Ciao Phil Of course: that is one way of viewing and one way of engaging. It can be a good & useful approach, but it doesn't mean that other conversations can't be had. Ignoring things is sometimes ok and sometimes not the best thing. I wish that the motorbike dealer who owes me parts wouldn't keep ignoring me or the issue. Sure, he's got the bit he digs (the sale, my money) and he's ignoring the rest. Good for him - but short sighted. That's why Piaggio Guzzi is down the tubes in many places. To me, ignoring the state of things and always slapping on more gloss emulsion isn't gonna hold the wall up. Mostly we enjoy and enthuse. Sometimes it's worth a slight poke to see what's under the paint, don't you think?
macguzzi Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Jeez what a sorry arsed bunch MG riders can be.That looked like a fantastic thing to go to. Ever heard of the concept of taking out of it what you dig and ignoring the rest. Sorry I missed it. Ciao Phil Of course: that is one way of viewing and one way of engaging. It can be a good & useful approach, but it doesn't mean that other conversations can't be had. Ignoring things is sometimes ok and sometimes not the best thing. I wish that the motorbike dealer who owes me parts wouldn't keep ignoring me or the issue. Sure, he's got the bit he digs (the sale, my money) and he's ignoring the rest. Good for him - but short sighted. That's why Piaggio Guzzi is down the tubes in many places. To me, ignoring the state of things and always slapping on more gloss emulsion isn't gonna hold the wall up. well said David you have had more than your fair share of Guzzi's lack of customer care, I first discovered this back in the 1970's Mostly we enjoy and enthuse. Sometimes it's worth a slight poke to see what's under the paint, don't you think?
Lucky Phil Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Jeez what a sorry arsed bunch MG riders can be.That looked like a fantastic thing to go to. Ever heard of the concept of taking out of it what you dig and ignoring the rest. Sorry I missed it. Ciao Phil Of course: that is one way of viewing and one way of engaging. It can be a good & useful approach, but it doesn't mean that other conversations can't be had. Ignoring things is sometimes ok and sometimes not the best thing. I wish that the motorbike dealer who owes me parts wouldn't keep ignoring me or the issue. Sure, he's got the bit he digs (the sale, my money) and he's ignoring the rest. Good for him - but short sighted. That's why Piaggio Guzzi is down the tubes in many places. To me, ignoring the state of things and always slapping on more gloss emulsion isn't gonna hold the wall up. Mostly we enjoy and enthuse. Sometimes it's worth a slight poke to see what's under the paint, don't you think? The hard reality of modern life is that you have to put on a "show".Motorcycles are a luxury and leisure item and you have to appeal to a certain degree to the "lifestyle" and as most buyers will have a partner, them as well. Doesn't matter how good the product this is a necessity or you will be dead in the water with the leisure/luxury market. Once apon a time you could rely on the quality selling the product and generating a certain image,now its the other way around. Not saying I like it this way just that's the way it is. As for the show I would just love to be back in Mandello again an have a look in the factory.The rest would be a bonus. I have principle when it comes to the majority of dealers......Once I leave with the bike they never see it again unless I have a major warranty issue and then I keep them on such a short leash its better for them to treat me well than mess me about. Minor warranty stuff,servicing and tuning I will deal with myself.Generally better to keep things away from the "oil change specialists" that 90% of dealerships claim are technicians. ciao
belfastguzzi Posted November 27, 2011 Author Posted November 27, 2011 Jeez what a sorry arsed bunch MG riders can be.That looked like a fantastic thing to go to. Ever heard of the concept of taking out of it what you dig and ignoring the rest. Sorry I missed it. Ciao Phil Of course: that is one way of viewing and one way of engaging. It can be a good & useful approach, but it doesn't mean that other conversations can't be had. Ignoring things is sometimes ok and sometimes not the best thing. I wish that the motorbike dealer who owes me parts wouldn't keep ignoring me or the issue. Sure, he's got the bit he digs (the sale, my money) and he's ignoring the rest. Good for him - but short sighted. That's why Piaggio Guzzi is down the tubes in many places. To me, ignoring the state of things and always slapping on more gloss emulsion isn't gonna hold the wall up. Mostly we enjoy and enthuse. Sometimes it's worth a slight poke to see what's under the paint, don't you think? The hard reality of modern life is that you have to put on a "show".Motorcycles are a luxury and leisure item and you have to appeal to a certain degree to the "lifestyle" and as most buyers will have a partner, them as well. Doesn't matter how good the product this is a necessity or you will be dead in the water with the leisure/luxury market. Once apon a time you could rely on the quality selling the product and generating a certain image,now its the other way around. Not saying I like it this way just that's the way it is. As for the show I would just love to be back in Mandello again an have a look in the factory.The rest would be a bonus. I have principle when it comes to the majority of dealers......Once I leave with the bike they never see it again unless I have a major warranty issue and then I keep them on such a short leash its better for them to treat me well than mess me about. Minor warranty stuff,servicing and tuning I will deal with myself.Generally better to keep things away from the "oil change specialists" that 90% of dealerships claim are technicians. ciao Yeah, you're right about all that.
Baldini Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 The hard reality of modern life...etc Marketing & freebies will not build a strong brand if product quality & customer care are neglected. Some may not rely on dealer support, but the vast majority of customer's do - increasingly so with "lifestyle" purchasers encouraged by Guzzi marketing. Guzzi has a long history of neglecting customer care & dealer support. Not addressing this fundamental undermines effort elsewhere. I'm sure it was a great time in Mandello. History & brand image are important. But it seems to me that whoever is in charge does not have a clear understanding of Guzzi's identity or a coherent vision for it's future. No amount of gloss paint & key-ring stalls are going to compensate for that. KB
Orson Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 & key-ring stalls... Fortunately, besides the banner, I didn't see much else that matched anything you might see at Sturgis. No tattoo places or ear piercing places. Maybe they were hidden in the periphery I really didn't see much of any type of vendor other than food stalls
luhbo Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Jeez what a sorry arsed bunch MG riders can be.That looked like a fantastic thing to go to. Ever heard of the concept of taking out of it what you dig and ignoring the rest. Sorry I missed it. Ciao Phil Yes, were 2 great days. The event and the journey to and fro, especially the fro I really had enough and took the car for the rest of the week. There was a little bit of discussion between this guy and another one crawling across the path in front of his bike when he arrived on Friday evening, as if the bike wasn't loud enough to give him a warning. Hubert
SRL Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 I thought it was a good event and solidly focused on the machines not the lifestyle, living in the heart of so many "biker events" I did not get that feel from it at all. Also nice to see so many old timers riding great condition early example MGs vs. the tons of zero mile new HD bikes being trailered to Daytona to pose for the week.
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