Baldini Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Yeah, gratuitous lesbian sex too... Not forgetting violence, sadism & torture, described in loving detail without aim of furthering characterisation or plot. Could have been an epic story but got bogged down in vouyerism. That's the book, not seen the film. KB
John in Leeds Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Yeah, gratuitous lesbian sex too... Not forgetting violence, sadism & torture, described in loving detail without aim of furthering characterisation or plot. Could have been an epic story but got bogged down in vouyerism. That's the book, not seen the film. KB In our house violence, sadism & torture are seen as totally different to gratuitous lesbian sex We sadly get violence, sadism & torture every day on tv often sponsored by our masters. How pleased I would be if it was replaced by gratuitous lesbian sex
Baldini Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Yeh, I could have put that better - internet is an.... unforgiving mistress... what have I gone & said now....
John in Leeds Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Yeh, I could have put that better - internet is an.... unforgiving mistress... what have I gone & said now.... You'll do for me Keith
ferguzzi Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Not forgetting violence, sadism & torture, described in loving detail without aim of furthering characterisation or plot. Could have been an epic story but got bogged down in vouyerism. That's the book, not seen the film. KB Not sure I agree with you there. Yes it was violent, but no worse that any run-of-the-mill war story nowadays, and at least it treated it seriously. I think that it was one of the first scenes I've ever read that actually described sexual abuse realistically. A bit of realism in that regard isn't a bad thing I reckon, much as real combat is rarely described realistically(even in the non-fiction media), lest it upset the wrong person. And of course thereby prevent 18 year olds from enlisting. The original swedish film doesn't graphically show the violence. but it still gives a very good portrayal of what happens, leaving the worst of it to your imagination, making it even more upsetting, of course. The soul of the story of Lisbeth Sander is how she has been abused in every way, not just sexually. I thought it was almost the crux of the whole book.
John in Leeds Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 The first book was particularly disturbing to me in detailing the brutal misuse of power on a helpless individual. I would like to think it was also disturbing to others highlighting a dark factor of humanity that can be be combated in nearly all areas by a culture of openness. It could be that the popularity of the series is partly because the sensible if disturbing portrayal is coupled by a fulfilment of the revenge fantasy that it inevitably engendered. Would that it were so in real life
Guzzirider Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Interesting that the series of books is very popular with female readers- although there is some graphic stuff there I think the general theme is about overcoming abuse.
mznyc Posted December 21, 2011 Author Posted December 21, 2011 The reviews are in and they're glowing! http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie-critic-reviews/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo.2/ I agree I generally hate the big explosions ,inane dialogue ,and dumbing down to the audience of the Hollywood movies.Generally find European movies with they're smaller budgets and lack of overpaid stars to be more creative.Looks like Hollywood got this one right for a change
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