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As I recall the Lambretta was a tit for tat manuever. Lambretta was getting too close to Guzzi's market with that one so Guzzi came out with a scooter. Lambretta promptly caved and stopped encroaching on Guzzi's market.

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How do you post a full size code.. I'm not allowed to anymore. ?

Just click the Image button in the editor and copy the image URL in the popup. Should work!

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As I recall the Lambretta was a tit for tat manuever. Lambretta was getting too close to Guzzi's market with that one so Guzzi came out with a scooter. Lambretta promptly caved and stopped encroaching on Guzzi's market.

The Lambretta was a racer and afaik never came into production. And by 1953 Guzzi didn't even have a transverse V-twin. Guzzi came with a scooter because everyone did then

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In fact it shows so many fine details and bike specific solutions that most probably Guzzi has bought them for their yet to come big tourer, not vice versa. Besides that it's quite hard to come behind who's been working for whom, officially as engineering support or behind the scenes. There were a lot of specialised freelancers on the market, in the same way as it is still today.

 

Below is a picture from a Mick Walker book, showing a small Gilera project from '62. The interessting part is the lower right corner. What V-engine was standing in Gilera's race shop at this time? And why? Development job for another company? For doing field-studies?

 

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Hubert

 

 

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This is what I was referring to. From Wiki, but I have seen it mentioned elsewhere as well.

"Moto Guzzi was limited in its endeavors to penetrate the important scooter market as motorcycle popularity waned after WWII. Italian scooter competitors would not tolerate an incursion from Moto Guzzi. By innovating the first large-wheeled scooter, Guzzi competed less directly with manufacturers of small-wheeled scooters such as Piaggio (Vespa) and Lambretta. To illustrate the delicate balance within the Italian post-war motorcycle and scooter markets, when Guzzi developed their own prototype for a small-wheeled scooter, Lambretta retaliated with a prototype for a small V-twin motorcycle threatening to directly compete on Moto Guzzi's turf. The two companies compromised: Guzzi never produced their small-wheeled scooter and Lambretta never manufactured the motorcycle. Notably, the drive train that Lambretta made in their 1953 motorcycle prototype remarkably resembles the V-twin + drive shaftarrangement that Guzzi developed more than ten years later, ultimately to become iconic of the company."

Guzzi made big wheeled scooters and started developing a small wheeled scooter, and Lambretta started playing with the 250 V twin. That 250 V twin may have been in response to Guzzi developing a scooter small wheeled scooter. Guzzi stopped developing small wheeled scooters and Lambretta stopped playing with full size bikes. At least that is how I understand it. But I could be wrong.

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Slightly off topic, I know, but I'm intersted in the length of the swing arm on that Laverda - is there an optimum length (relative to the wheelbase) or is it a case of the longer the better?

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