What [music] do you listen to? Share your favs

[docc]

56 minutes ago, LowRyter said:

AI does good at simple mimicry.  But is it ready for productivity and quality?  

Odd this popped up.  I wrote a bit about AI today in Adv Rider.  The set up was regarding govt spending cuts and inserting AI replacing, rather than assisting, subject matter specialists.

(For govt screening AI) has been tried before and it's failed. Sorta like that AI voice to the local pharmacy or Walmart directing the caller to the right dept in the store determining whether grandma needs her meals of wheels, home nursing, or medicare. When I wrote fail, I mean catastrophic: no one heard from granny, the social worker goes into the the house finds her soiled and on the floor. (Note: just heard this example on NPR a couple of days ago)

The dirty secret about AI is that it takes AI upon AI for many layers until it works from a general application to have specific benefits. And it will take many layers of quality checks and time to determine whether the scheme actually works for each application. Given so many links in the chain, one link can have catastrophic effects. For now we only have human quality checks for each link until accuracy can be determined over time. Further, each link needs to be checked not only for the logic algorithm for the specific application but also each bit of data that feeds the model.

The geeks here can set me straight. I'd like to read the counter to what I've written.

 

 

Pretty sure I'm not Geek Qualified, but agreed. The distinction I would make between AI (artificial intelligence) and CG (computer generated) is decision making.  Trusting a vehicle's sensors and interpretive systems to operate the vehicle is "AI", IMO.

Generating an image, video, or voice narration digitally remains CG/computer generated as the software behind the generation is still built by human software engineers and is not making any decisions for us.

To anchor this back to this music thread, it reminds me of my drummer friend's opinion about drum machines. He said something like, "Yeah, they keep perfect time, but they've got no soul."

Real drummers make decisions. The hallmark of "intelligence."

"The [drummers] here can set me straight."  

[audiomick]

On 2/19/2025 at 2:15 AM, docc said:

Tchaikovsky ?

Seems so. From the "Nutcracker Suite".

[audiomick]

2 hours ago, LowRyter said:

... inserting AI replacing, rather than assisting, subject matter specialists.

 

2 hours ago, docc said:

Real drummers make decisions. The hallmark of "intelligence."

That is the gist of it, I reckon. AI doesn't make decisions. At the best, it draws conclusions from data and comparisons that it has been programmed to collect and make. As far as I know, it is not (yet) capable of, for instance, checking for plausibility. If enough "hits" say that 2+2=5, it will go with that.

It is not ready to be replacing rather than just assisting specialists. I have no idea how long it will be before it is ready, but it isn't yet.

As far as music goes, in my time at the uni in the '80s it was a topic of discussion: how much of the compositon process can one relegate to a computer? At the time, the series "Miami Vice" was popular. There was a computer program that "automatically" generated music. One fed it with parameters, and it "composed" music. Rumour had it that most, or all, of the background music for the series came from that program.

The crucial point is, does someone look at the output of the program and select the useful bits to use, or does the output get used without anyone checking to see if it is bullshit or not?

 

EDIT: for example, look at what the forum software does with d  ick.

@#$$#!

That this is a common nickname for people whose name is Richard doesn't come into it. It "knows" that is a "bad word" and censors it. Admittedly a very primitive form of AI, but still, it demonstrates what I mean.

Edited yesterday at 02:20 AM by audiomick

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1 hour ago, audiomick said:

AI doesn't make decisions. At the best, it draws conclusions from data and comparisons that it has been programmed to collect and make

I know some humans that function similarly.

[docc]

1 hour ago, audiomick said:

EDIT: for example, look at what the forum software does with d  ick.

@#$$#!

That this is a common nickname for people whose name is Richard doesn't come into it. It "knows" that is a "bad word" and censors it. Admittedly a very primitive form of AI, but still, it demonstrates what I mean.

Maybe this technology is, at best, "Artificial Decision" (AD) with "intelligence" being a long way off, and likely a perpetual misnomer.

[LowRyter]

2 hours ago, audiomick said:

 

That is the gist of it, I reckon. AI doesn't make decisions. At the best, it draws conclusions from data and comparisons that it has been programmed to collect and make. As far as I know, it is not (yet) capable of, for instance, checking for plausibility. If enough "hits" say that 2+2=5, it will go with that.

It is not ready to be replacing rather than just assisting specialists. I have no idea how long it will be before it is ready, but it isn't yet.

As far as music goes, in my time at the uni in the '80s it was a topic of discussion: how much of the compositon process can one relegate to a computer? At the time, the series "Miami Vice" was popular. There was a computer program that "automatically" generated music. One fed it with parameters, and it "composed" music. Rumour had it that most, or all, of the background music for the series came from that program.

The crucial point is, does someone look at the output of the program and select the useful bits to use, or does the output get used without anyone checking to see if it is bullshit or not?

 

EDIT: for example, look at what the forum software does with d  ick.

@#$$#!

That this is a common nickname for people whose name is Richard doesn't come into it. It "knows" that is a "bad word" and censors it. Admittedly a very primitive form of AI, but still, it demonstrates what I mean.

I always thought Jan Hammer did the music for Miami Vice.

Someone should post Jeff Beck's "Wired" here.

[docc]

21 hours ago, LowRyter said:

I always thought Jan Hammer did the music for Miami Vice.

Someone should post Jeff Beck's "Wired" here.

Close as I could get . . .

 

[LowRyter]

Saw jeff and jan back in '78 (?)

 

jan was a little thinner and had more hair.  

 

does it sound like Miami Vice?

Edited 12 hours ago by LowRyter