Best Relay

[igor]

3 hours ago, docc said:

AFAIK, OMRON discontinued production of the G8HE micro relay we used. Sure, you may find them used or NOS.

Currently, the Picker Components PC782-1C-12S-R-X is the best we have found with the highest NC contact rating for the #1/start position ( @igor, the first/front relay is the only position requiring the 5-pin/ Form 1C, yet best practice is to use the same 5-pin/ Form 1C in all positions so they can be swapped around as @gstallons noted).

This CIT is a close second and certainly up to our needs:

                                                          A11CSQ12VDC1.5R

 

Hi,

so you confirm the picker components PC782-1C-12S-R-X is the starter relay , because it's the one i think i seem to have problems with . Sometimes the guzzi will start directly and sometimes just a click and no starter action , so i switch the lights off and on try again and after 2 or 3 try outs it starts . Could it be this relay issue or do i need to look in another direction ?

Thanks for your help

[docc]

30 minutes ago, igor said:

Hi,

so you confirm the picker components PC782-1C-12S-R-X is the starter relay , because it's the one i think i seem to have problems with . Sometimes the guzzi will start directly and sometimes just a click and no starter action , so i switch the lights off and on try again and after 2 or 3 try outs it starts . Could it be this relay issue or do i need to look in another direction ?

Thanks for your help

Hi, @igor!

It is worth using this relay in all positions on all V11 SpineFrames, yet the starting circuit on your LeMans will likely benefit from the addition of a separate start relay for what our member @Kiwi_Roy calls "Startus Interuptus."

Here is @stewgnu's wiring diagram of that modification:

It is also notable that @stewgnu's starting issue was traced to the starter. itself:

And a Kiwi_Roy post with further explanation including advice to inspect, clean, and lubricate the ignition switch:

 

[gstallons]

 The starter relay mod (as pictured ) is THE mod to perform as it keeps the current off the micro relay and onto a conventional mini ISO relay to power the starter solenoid.  IDK why these companies run the high current through light switches , starter solenoids ,etc. knowing this is a Mickey Mouse setup .  I used a weatherproof mini ISO relay and connector to operate the starter solenoid . 

[docc]

45 minutes ago, gstallons said:

 The starter relay mod (as pictured ) is THE mod to perform as it keeps the current off the micro relay and onto a conventional mini ISO relay to power the starter solenoid.  IDK why these companies run the high current through light switches , starter solenoids ,etc. knowing this is a Mickey Mouse setup .  I used a weatherproof mini ISO relay and connector to operate the starter solenoid . 

Just a wee clarification, if  may . . .

Early V11 Sports do not suffer classic Startus Interuptus like the LeMans and later variants that send the start current through through the ignition switch and back to the starter solenoid.

The early V11 does benefit from a robust (true high current) micro relays, especially in Position #1/start. As do all V11 Spine Frames benefit from the high current relays, just that the later variants need the extra start relay as Kiwi_Roy has described. IIRC, someone was making a kit for this. Was it "Eastern Beaver?"

[gstallons]

I just do it as a safety factor . ABSOLUTELY no problems !