footgoose Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 Do all our bikes have 5 relays? 99-04 Sport/LM Speaking with an owner of an early (112636) Sport, he said early bikes have 3. I can't find anything showing 3 in searching.
LowRyter Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 my '01 has 5 BTW, my first failed Guzzi relay was a Bosch fuel pump relay on this bike. I've replaced all the relays on both my Guzzis with Pyro Dan. And I might add that all 5 of Dan's relays costs about the same a single replacement at the Auto Parts store.
Chuck Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Do all our bikes have 5 relays? 99-04 Sport/LM Speaking with an owner of an early (112636) Sport, he said early bikes have 3. I can't find anything showing 3 in searching. Are you sure he wasn't talking about the early Sport 1100s? As far as I know all V11s have 5. 1
footgoose Posted June 25, 2017 Author Posted June 25, 2017 Thanks lowryter. I got a slew of Pyro Dans' GEI's as well. Had 1 #5 fail after one season. Can't say for sure what's behind relay fails. Bad relay or problematic conditions? Chuck. Nope, it's an early 2000. could be a 99 build, not sure. The vin falls into the early pre "canted" trees (per info on this forum) http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18331 Docc providing some good "early bike" info. The bike in question has a front axle nut, putting it into the early bike category, per Greg Feld. I haven't seen under the seat, but he says he only has 3. It's a bike I was looking to buy and that was unexpected.
docc Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 I've never seen, or heard of, a V11 with less than 5 relays. The Sport1100 (carbs) definitely has 3, not sure about the pre-V11 injected Guzzis. Post a pic of under the seat on that "3-relay" V11 and we can check it out . . . Read up on the relays. There is no reason on earth, at this point, to fall into a relay failure. They have been quite common. Why? Because so many relays simply are not up to the current requirements. Sure, there (may be) guys still running their original Seimans. But why take the chance? Run the Best Relays (they're pretty much the same money): http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19755&page=5&&do=findComment&comment=216605
footgoose Posted July 25, 2017 Author Posted July 25, 2017 the owner sent a photo and said this is factory. I looked up some fiche for early sports and they show 3 relays.
docc Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Wow! Never seen a RedFrame Sport with three relays! What is the 10th digit of the VIN & build date from the left headstock tag?
footgoose Posted July 26, 2017 Author Posted July 26, 2017 10th is Y. The bike is out of his hands now. Build date is unavailable. I was considering it for purchase but I had some hesitation because of this and a couple other issues. I took some time and missed out on it. I should have acted quicker. Interesting difference. A carry over from the 1100 Sport I suppose.
docc Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Hm . . . three different relays held by a "Zip-tie" and some loose-looking wiring/ heat shrink . . . not a very factory" looking set-up at all.
JesterGrin_1 Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Hm . . . three different relays held by a "Zip-tie" and some loose-looking wiring/ heat shrink . . . not a very factory" looking set-up at all. I have to agree with Docc on this. It may have 3 relays but to myself it appears that in no way is this a factory installation.
GuzziMoto Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Our red frame V11 has 5 relays, originally made by Siemens (they failed). That relay installation is clearly not factory. That does not mean it did not have 3 from the factory, but that picture is not of a factory installation of 3 relays. Even the space for the relays is big enough for 5 relays. I have not seen one with 3 relays from the factory, but I can't say I have seen that many.
footgoose Posted July 26, 2017 Author Posted July 26, 2017 the zip tie may not be factory but the 3 setup seems to be. Harpers has this for '99-'00. They have posted this fiche for several other years incorrectly.
docc Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I know the carbed Sport 1100 has three relays. Not sure about the later injected 1100Sport-i? I wonder what that pictured harness is for. Centauro have three relays?
Guzzi2Go Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I have the same pic in my copy of the "V11 LeMans 2002" spare parts catalogue. (Catalogue code: 01 92 00 90, Date of issue: 07/02), sheet I1 showing "Electric system". However, there is another sheet (H13), showing two more relays (ECU + Injectors). Five altogether...
swooshdave Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Parts books are made before production. A good guess is that they originally thought of using 3 relays like the earlier bikes but then switched to 5 but never updated the documentation.
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