Starter button.

[Speedfrog]

@LaGrasta those links to V11LM threads you posted don't work.. 

[docc]

2 hours ago, LaGrasta said:

from my notes:

 

MPH Cycles Starter Interruptus mod

Parts at http://www.cycleterminal.com/ (except the 14 AWG blue, green and white wires). The MPH Cycles part comes with a 10amp fuse in the fuse link. 

blob:https://www.v11lemans.com/37737215-e75a-4437-b772-db940d46dd91

The heat shrink tubing and the black protective tubing could be replaced by ordinary electrical tape. You need a crimping tool for the brass terminals, but a garden variety tool from the hardware store will do fine. The connectors from Cycle Terminal come with male and female spade terminals. The "eye" terminal on the fuse link has to be purchased separately. 

blob:https://www.v11lemans.com/08e918e2-df27-40b2-ace8-2441e33b4cf9blob:https://www.v11lemans.com/16386789-331d-4dc4-b15f-3a6be25cae02   

 

3 minutes ago, Speedfrog said:

@LaGrasta those links to V11LM threads you posted don't work.. 

I tried to fix that, but couldn't . . .

[audiomick]

Yeah, I had a look at those links too. They seem to be just not there anymore, for whatever reason.

 

Any idea where the "blob" before the https: comes from?

[docc]

3 minutes ago, audiomick said:

Yeah, I had a look at those links too. They seem to be just not there anymore, for whatever reason.

 

Any idea where the "blob" before the https: comes from?

I tried clipping that to restore the links, but without success.

[audiomick]

Yeah, same here. Copied the rest out and put it in the address bar. All I got was "this page doesn't exist".

I notice that the format of the "links" , i.e this:

.com/37737215-e75a-4437-b772-db940d46dd91

doesn't seem to match what I see in the address bar when I go to a random post somewhere in the forum, which looks like this:

.com/forums/topic/5691-breakdown-of-model-year-changes/#comment-256916

No idea what that might mean, though.

[docc]

There are some solid threads here on this "Startus Interuptus " issue that affects V11 after 1999-2001.

We'll get it sorted.

This certainly sounds like the best advice for @audiomick . . .

 

[LaGrasta]

sorry about the image links, this site limits us. I don't host images on another site, so I have to Photoshop them to 200k.

[docc]

49 minutes ago, LaGrasta said:

sorry about the image links, this site limits us. I don't host images on another site, so I have to Photoshop them to 200k.

A bit tricky to post existing Gallery images to a new post:

"Right click" the thumbnail in the album and select "Copy Image Link" and the image will paste and display.  Attempting this from the image, itself, is not an option.

 

[al_roethlisberger]

On 1/11/2023 at 5:45 PM, LaGrasta said:

from my notes:

 

MPH Cycles Starter Interruptus mod

Parts at http://www.cycleterminal.com/ (except the 14 AWG blue, green and white wires). The MPH Cycles part comes with a 10amp fuse in the fuse link. 

The heat shrink tubing and the black protective tubing could be replaced by ordinary electrical tape. You need a crimping tool for the brass terminals, but a garden variety tool from the hardware store will do fine. The connectors from Cycle Terminal come with male and female spade terminals. The "eye" terminal on the fuse link has to be purchased separately. 

 

Do we know if the MPH Cycles unit fits the V11 Sport/Lemans?

 

https://mphcycles.com/starter-relay-fix-kit/

If your Breva 750, 1100, 1200 , Norge 1100, 1200, or Griso sometimes makes a click from under the seat  when you want the motor to make a roar, you need our Starter Relay fix kit.  It solves a design deficiency and is easy to install, 5 minutes for the average owner and it works ! 

 

Their description and the various comments aren't clear if it will.

I may just drop them an email.

 

 

[cash1000]

On 1/12/2023 at 8:14 AM, LaGrasta said:

Newly acquired vehicles always have me and a can of slippery-squirt spray all hinges, keyholes, buttons, etc. Give it a try.

What's slippery-squirt? 

[al_roethlisberger]

An update from MPH regarding their "Startus Interruptus" kit, specifically for the V11 Sport/Lemans:

 

https://mphcycles.com/starter-relay-fix-kit/

 

Quote

The Kits on the website are only for Breva, Norge and Griso models.  We developed an entirely different kit for the earlier bikes V11 Sports / LeMans, V10 Centauro late last year but it is not advertised on our site.

Cost for this Kit is $70.00 which includes postage within USA. 

 

They are currently out of the V11 kit, and need to order relays to build more, but are in the process of doing so if anyone is interested.

[docc]

3 minutes ago, al_roethlisberger said:

An update from MPH regarding their "Startus Interruptus" kit, specifically for the V11 Sport/Lemans:

 

https://mphcycles.com/starter-relay-fix-kit/

 

 

They are currently out of the V11 kit, and need to order relays to build more, but are in the process of doing so if anyone is interested.

V11 owners, note: This concern applies to V11 harnesses from 2002, and from 2003-2005.

The early (1999-2001) Sport and Rosso Mandello already use a relay and do not benefit from this improvement. They do, however, benefit from a High Current relay in the #1/Start position.

 

[docc]

1 hour ago, docc said:

V11 owners, note: This concern applies to V11 harnesses from 2002, and from 2003-2005.

The early (1999-2001) Sport and Rosso Mandello already use a relay and do not benefit from this improvement. They do, however, benefit from a High Current relay in the #1/Start position.

 

How could this be posted with such a high degree of confidence? There was enough member participation in the "Livin' Easy Test" to draw conclusions . . . If your V11 Start Relay is "Livin' Easy", consider the Startus Interruptus mod. If your V11 fails the Livin' Easy Test? Be certain you run a quality, rated High Current relay in that #1 position (1999-2001 V11) . . .

[LaGrasta]

On 3/8/2023 at 7:44 PM, cash1000 said:

What's slippery-squirt? 

Any brand lubricant of your choice.

[audiomick]

I was at "my" mechanic's workshop the other day with the V11 Le Mans. She obliged by showing her party trick with the starter button in his presence. He reckoned that it is most likely the starter motor itself, i.e. it is probably full of crud which prevents it from making the necessary contact in the starter motor solenoid.

 

He started to talk about cleaning it out, but very quickly suggested simply buying a new one. I have also seen a few comments here that suggest just replacing the starter motor rather than buggerising around trying to fix an old one. I am fully aware that it is not hard to find a cheap replacement that possibly came off the same production line as the Valeo starter motor, but just doesn't have "Valeo" written on it, but rather some other manufacturer.

 

Nevertheless, I'm curious about what the insides look like, and cleaning out the existing one would be cheaper if it can be saved. So...

how hard is it to pull the starter motor apart? Is there anything in there that is likely to go "boing" and dissapear into the darkest corner of the garage? Is it easy to put back together? Is there any mystical black magic knowlege necessary to get it apart, cleaned and back together such that it still works afterwards?