Pilot Debrief.

[Lucky Phil]

This guys stuff is really good and his videos have backed my life long decision to never fly in anything other than large commercial jets with big companies. It's no guarantee of course but some of the things on this channel are rather disturbing and very sad. It also backs my other decision when a young man in the aviation industry to not take up private flying. I always thought I'd be able to attain an unrestricted pilots licence but I'd never thought I'd have the time and money to attain "expert" status and then do enough hours to maintain the skills. I've always considered piloting to be a very serious business. I think I chose right and went with motorcycles.

 

 

[Pressureangle]

Yeah, airplanes.

I grew up thinking I'd be a fighter pilot, but at age I realized they were all jets and the romance (of youth) of dogfights was pretty much gone. 
Truly, I never had sufficient working memory to be anything more than a private pilot, and had neither resources nor reason to fly. 
Helicopters, now, that's a different story. After extensive travel by rotary in military craft, I'll say that if the resources show up I'll do that. 

Given my history with motorcycles, it's unlikely that aircraft would be more dangerous in my hands lol

I have very good spacial awareness and sense of direction. I don't get seasick. I'm not afraid of heights. I consider myself marginal for licensed flight. There is no profit in shaming the dead, but this woman really shanked the ball and wasn't overconfident- she was ignorant of her own shortcomings, which was kinda the point of this video. 

[audiomick]

10 hours ago, Pressureangle said:

 she was ignorant of her own shortcomings, which was kinda the point of this video. 

Yep. One could wonder how she got the license in the first place.

[Pressureangle]

5 minutes ago, audiomick said:

Yep. One could wonder how she got the license in the first place.

Well, he said it took her 8 months from solo to checkflight. One might wonder how many times she was recycled.

[audiomick]

3 minutes ago, Pressureangle said:

...8 months from solo to checkflight.

Do you happen to know how long that takes on average? I have no idea.

What I saw in the excerpts in that video didn't exactly inspire confidence in her skills.

 

I'm doing my best to resist writing a sentence with the word "blonde" in it.

[LowRyter]

I agree with Phil, airlines only.   Private pilots and general aviation, great hobby.  I'll watch, thank you.  If I'm going up, I'm going somewhere and will take the flying bus. 

I'm good with all these billionaires with their private jets and chauffeured cars that they don't even wear seatbelts.   Just not good for me.  Go ahead, you very smart, very rich guys, you know better.  What could go wrong when you pay for the best?

[Pressureangle]

57 minutes ago, audiomick said:

Do you happen to know how long that takes on average? I have no idea.

What I saw in the excerpts in that video didn't exactly inspire confidence in her skills.

 

I'm doing my best to resist writing a sentence with the word "blonde" in it.

Dunno- a very wealthy friend (no waiting) went from first solo to checkflight in a month, flying weekends only. <shrug>

[activpop]

Took me almost 2 years to get my checkride...70 hrs of flight time. Life got in the way even at 30 years old. Passed on first try. I never would have been comfortable moving up to a complex aircraft at 100 hours.  I was very comfortable in the 172 but knew I still had a lot to learn and skills to hone. I continued on with flying on my own in addition to going up with an instructor from time to time to work on different things...spins, flying under the hood, unusual attitudes, etc. Watching that video had me wondering how or why she stepped up when she seemed so lost in space, no pun intended. I knew my limitations and also knew how unforgiving general aviation is. She didnt seem to have a clue.

[gstallons]

What bothered me the most was her looking at instruments and circling around the airport she just left w/o looking out to see anything...... 

and , no , I have never been in a cockpit .

[Pressureangle]

1 hour ago, gstallons said:

What bothered me the most was her looking at instruments and circling around the airport she just left w/o looking out to see anything...... 

and , no , I have never been in a cockpit .

I realized via instructing young soldiers, that there is a specific mentality in a lot of people I don't really have a phrase to fit, but the anecdote illuminates- 

While training overseas, I was issued a laptop to interface the vehicles we were attached to. I discovered very quickly in field training that when I brought the computer, nearly everyone defaulted to the position that whatever problem was had, could not be solved without the computer. So afterwards, I never carried the computer unless it proved to be absolutely necessary- and it nearly never was. I developed the standard to train "99% of all faults can be found with your eyes and fingers". 
This seems to be where this pilot was, searching for answers in the technology- technology that she was incompetent to operate sufficiently- when the problem was self-evident upon looking out the window. 
On a side note, I have a reputation amongst my sailing friends as the best navigator they know. That is terrifying, since firstly 90% of navigating is looking at the horizon and the compass only and secondly that I can find a lighthouse on a chart and relate that to the horizon and the compass.  So I have to wonder, are people so truly absent the concept that they can look out the window and tell where they are?

[Scud]

This pilot's lack of navigation skills and lack of technical competence with her plane proved fatal. It's unfortunate, because both of those skills are learnable and testable.

Like many of you, I now avoid small planes and only fly commercial. 

Many years ago, I went up with a friend who was learning to fly, so I was in the back seat, listening to the conversation between my friend and the instructor. We were flying from Carlsbad to Lake Havasu. I had been looking out the window, identifying (silently) towns, roads (especially my favorite twisty ones), mountains, lakes, etc. As we crossed the mountains and the Coachella Valley (Palm Springs, etc.) came into view, the instructor asked, "Where do you think we are?" My friend says he doesn't know. Instructor: "Do you see that large body of water over there?"  I saw it a long time ago, it's the Salton Sea, which is the largest lake in the entire state of California. My friend says "No, I don't see any water." At that moment I was grateful for the instructor and vowed never to fly with my friend again. Since then, we lost touch, so I hope he either learned some more or stopped flying. 

[activpop]

Without situational awareness, you wont be a pilot for long. To this day one of the things I like most about flying is looking out the window at the land I'm flying over.  Flying out of your home base to a nearby airport should have been a slam dunk for her. Making all those turns to headings in the opposition direction of your destination is mind boggling to me. They might be alive today if she just went back to basics. I would like to read the NTSB report on this incident. 

[MartyNZ]

A commentary on this accident and link to the preliminary NTSB report is here:

https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/348680

[Lucky Phil]

I think the video was made on the prelim report. What's the most scary is that if you look at his other videos there is a lot of fatal crashed by pilots with commercial ratings and LOTS of flying hours in small commuter aircraft. Flying is a very serious business even weekend flying for me. I've never considered riding "fun". I've considered it many things, exciting, challenging, exhilarating but "fun" to me is an activity with no or minimal personal risk. When I hear and new rider rave about how "fun" riding is I cringe a bit inside.

Phil  

[docc]

42 minutes ago, Lucky Phil said:

I think the video was made on the prelim report. What's the most scary is that if you look at his other videos there is a lot of fatal crashed by pilots with commercial ratings and LOTS of flying hours in small commuter aircraft. Flying is a very serious business even weekend flying for me. I've never considered riding "fun". I've considered it many things, exciting, challenging, exhilarating but "fun" to me is an activity with no or minimal personal risk. When I hear and new rider rave about how "fun" riding is I cringe a bit inside.

Phil  

Very interesting. So many times returning from a ride, I have been asked if I "had fun." I never know what to say. I don't ride for "fun."