Pilot Debrief.

[Pressureangle]

25 minutes ago, p6x said:

Let's see what comes out of the terrible accident that happened last night between a CRJ700 flying on behalf of AA, and a Military Helicopter on a training flight.

I watched a preliminary report from another youtuber akin to Pilot Debrief, and it seems incredible that cross traffic is allowed through the gliding path of aircrafts landing.

Especially that TCAS does not work below 1000 feet.

 

Airport cameras caught the crash clearly. Maybe I fell into the tinfoil, but there is no way a lit helicopter flew directly into the glide path of a commercial aircraft, in a no-fly zone, at precisely the right altitude, with presumably both military and civilian air traffic control screaming at them, and maybe the pilots of the jet as well who were probably already on automatic...
Just sayin, I want to know who was on that jet's passenger list.

[Scud]

24 minutes ago, Pressureangle said:

Just sayin, I want to know who was on that jet's passenger list.

I just started watching the TV Series The Blacklist. In the first season, one of the bad guys used mass transit "accidents" for assassinations. The world is crazy enough these days that what used to feel like the "tin foil hat zone" has to at least be considered.

This ought to be enough to start a proper thread drift....

[activpop]

35 minutes ago, Pressureangle said:

 with presumably both military and civilian air traffic control screaming at them

To my knowledge, there is no overlapping military control. When you are in general airspace, ATC has you.  When you are on final approach, you have been handed off to tower. 

[Pressureangle]

6 minutes ago, activpop said:

To my knowledge, there is no overlapping military control. When you are in general airspace, ATC has you.  When you are on final approach, you have been handed off to tower. 

'control' yes, ATC. But *particularly* on a 'training mission' military has constant communication and radar/transponder location. So somebody soon will turn up with ATC radio transmissions... unless they contact FAA first, then they'll have a mysterious single-vehicle fatality. (TFH)

[Pressureangle]

22 minutes ago, Scud said:

I just started watching the TV Series The Blacklist. In the first season, one of the bad guys used mass transit "accidents" for assassinations. The world is crazy enough these days that what used to feel like the "tin foil hat zone" has to at least be considered.

This ought to be enough to start a proper thread drift....

Hollywood *creates NOTHING*. Everything they do is an idea that came from somewhere else, and real-world possibilities seen through Hollywood *always* have root in real stories. 

Remember when we were kids, every Cop had a little black book? 

[LowRyter]

So sad and a bit scary.  I'd guess that significant proportion of travels have flown through National A/P.  I've flown in there more times than I can remember. 

I didn't know that the Potomac was also a path for air traffic not using the airport. 

[p6x]

52 minutes ago, Pressureangle said:

'control' yes, ATC. But *particularly* on a 'training mission' military has constant communication and radar/transponder location. So somebody soon will turn up with ATC radio transmissions... unless they contact FAA first, then they'll have a mysterious single-vehicle fatality. (TFH)

 

[activpop]

That was hard to listen to.

Edited 8 hours ago by activpop

[p6x]

 

[Pressureangle]

MMM yeah, so the Helo was flying night vision...NOT. My understanding, and having been in maybe a hundred Blackhawks and most of those at night, night vision is only used when the aircraft is FULL DARK. I'd sure like to have a military pilot confirm that. Firstly, the jet is re-routed to the secondary runway only seconds before it's too late; no reason given. Perhaps there was a large jet ready for takeoff on the main runway. Secondly, the Helo suddenly ascends a hundred feet above absolute ceiling, just at exactly the wrong time... Thirdly, he didn't mention it, but rewatch the flight path- the Helo was pretty far out of his route. 
I don't like it. It's either a Charley Foxtrot of the first order, or actually easier to believe a planned incident. Yeah, I know, get more tinfoil. 

[p6x]

1 hour ago, Pressureangle said:

when the aircraft is FULL DARK.

I was in the Army, in 76, and we had enhanced night vision googles in the battle tank. However, any kind of light would completely ruin the vision.

So I agree with you on principle.

Now I am pretty certain the technology has evolved, and flares no longer completely blind you.

[audiomick]

I've got another question: why on earth is there an "established" helicopter route that crosses the aproach path to a an airport? Bugger the maximum ceiling, why are they allowed to fly through there at all?