guzzler Posted August 24 Author Posted August 24 No worries DGI. Mate we can only dream of that sort of attitude to speed here in Victoria....it really is ridiculous. A couple of kays over and it's a 2 or $300 donation to the Policemans ball and 2 or more points off your licence.If you really let er rip you can end up in jail and lose your bike too. Sooo glad I gave it heaps back in the day as tolerance is long gone. Tassie (Tasmania) has a much better attitude and some brilliant roads and riding but I believe the roads like everywhere else here in Oz are going downhill too. It's a bit of an effort/cost in getting your bike down there too. It was a riders paradise back in 87 on my GPZ900. My native NZ has great roads too but a similar attitude to speed as here in Victoria.....arghhh. Just gotta make the best of what we've got I guess and be ever watchful for Mr Plod. Actually, that's where the Guzzi is handy in that you can still enjoy yourself without going over the top.I don't know how you could run a modern litre bike or even a smaller sport bike and keep your licence for any length of time. I've got a Hyperpro shock on the rear and have 15mm of preload* on it now and 28 of 50 clicks rebound ( Both comp and reb are set together on a fixed ratio on these emulsion shocks) and forks sorted resprung/valved and adjusted for me. She's still firm but worth it for the way she handles. Mate the best thing you can do on the red frame V11 is sort the compression leg ie block those holes so oil goes thru valving and not everything damping wise in the last 25mm of travel and hydraulic lock! Then correct springs for your weight and adjust accordingly. I may add 5mm to the shock down the track to put a bit more weight on the front. Mate, I look at some of the photos of the roads in the States and the condition of them, and think wow they' be fun especially with that tolerance so you can enjoy them. Anyway's we can still have some fun and enjoy ourselves down here all the same. Ha ha enjoy mate and keep that Oz licence handy as it seems to be doing the trick eh! Cheers * up from 10mm. 1
guzzler Posted September 21 Author Posted September 21 Actually, as it's $300 plus post of shock to /from SA to have it lengthened, I'm thinking about just raising the forks in triples by another 4mm to make them 12mm in total and see how this goes as should achieve much the same result.... She's bloody good in the twisties as is but I did like that really planted front feel with the tankbag on.... More to come on this later....
Lucky Phil Posted September 21 Posted September 21 (edited) On 8/25/2024 at 1:15 AM, guzzler said: No worries DGI. Mate we can only dream of that sort of attitude to speed here in Victoria....it really is ridiculous. A couple of kays over and it's a 2 or $300 donation to the Policemans ball and 2 or more points off your licence.If you really let er rip you can end up in jail and lose your bike too. Sooo glad I gave it heaps back in the day as tolerance is long gone. Tassie (Tasmania) has a much better attitude and some brilliant roads and riding but I believe the roads like everywhere else here in Oz are going downhill too. It's a bit of an effort/cost in getting your bike down there too. It was a riders paradise back in 87 on my GPZ900. My native NZ has great roads too but a similar attitude to speed as here in Victoria.....arghhh. Just gotta make the best of what we've got I guess and be ever watchful for Mr Plod. Actually, that's where the Guzzi is handy in that you can still enjoy yourself without going over the top.I don't know how you could run a modern litre bike or even a smaller sport bike and keep your licence for any length of time. I've got a Hyperpro shock on the rear and have 15mm of preload* on it now and 28 of 50 clicks rebound ( Both comp and reb are set together on a fixed ratio on these emulsion shocks) and forks sorted resprung/valved and adjusted for me. She's still firm but worth it for the way she handles. Mate the best thing you can do on the red frame V11 is sort the compression leg ie block those holes so oil goes thru valving and not everything damping wise in the last 25mm of travel and hydraulic lock! Then correct springs for your weight and adjust accordingly. I may add 5mm to the shock down the track to put a bit more weight on the front. Mate, I look at some of the photos of the roads in the States and the condition of them, and think wow they' be fun especially with that tolerance so you can enjoy them. Anyway's we can still have some fun and enjoy ourselves down here all the same. Ha ha enjoy mate and keep that Oz licence handy as it seems to be doing the trick eh! Cheers * up from 10mm. You need to be careful about the rear shock length on the v11. If my memory serves you can't go much beyond and extra 10mm in length or you run into clearance issues with the front uni joint and the swingarm hole. If your Hyperpro is already lengthened. I havea Wilbers with a ride height adjuster on the swingarm end. Currently staying in this Tuscan Villa. Looking down into the valley you may just be able to make out the famous Mugello race track. We are less than 2 klms from it. The roads around here are so amazing I wonder why the need a track at all. There's a Porsche club using the track until tonight apparently. You can here them in the distance. Naturally nobody here complains about a bit of engine noise off in the distance, unlike home. Phil Edited September 21 by Lucky Phil 8
guzzler Posted September 21 Author Posted September 21 Thanks Phil. No, my Hyperpro shock is standard length 280mm, I've not done anything about having it lengthened. Thought I'd try popping the forks up a bit more and see how this goes as it's less of a hassle. Looks like you're really enjoying your trip mate! I can tell you you're not missing anything weather wise back home! Cheers
Lucky Phil Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) 10 hours ago, guzzler said: Thanks Phil. No, my Hyperpro shock is standard length 280mm, I've not done anything about having it lengthened. Thought I'd try popping the forks up a bit more and see how this goes as it's less of a hassle. Looks like you're really enjoying your trip mate! I can tell you you're not missing anything weather wise back home! Cheers Oh good, glad I didn't fly half way around the world to miss great weather at home. The weather here is perfect. Yesterday evening we sat outside in the 24 degree sunny day, drank vino and listened to the steady stream of sports bikes going past on the very windy road past and below the villa. After we ate a simple meal we prepared ourselves with pomodoro, Mozzarella, basil and Bresaola. The Pomodoro and Basil were home grown and given to us by our hosts. The road surfaces here are perfectly smooth and grippy. Relaxation day today with a tour around the local area and a visit to the Mugello track. Only issue is I really don't want to leave. Phil Edited September 22 by Lucky Phil 3
audiomick Posted September 22 Posted September 22 14 hours ago, Lucky Phil said: Only issue is I really don't want to leave. You've got to watch that, mate. I didn't want to leave the first time I went to Germany, so I went back. And I'm still here nearly 30 years later. 2 1
guzzler Posted September 23 Author Posted September 23 Ha ha I came to Australia for my sister's wedding nearly 40 years ago and guess what.... I'm still here!
Tomchri Posted September 23 Posted September 23 Remember I had imigration papers for checking out Australia early seventys, even free house's that time, don't think I'm dreaming . Cheers Tom.
guzzler Posted September 24 Author Posted September 24 9 hours ago, Tomchri said: Remember I had imigration papers for checking out Australia early seventys, even free house's that time, don't think I'm dreaming . Cheers Tom. Mate And now Aussie housing prices are outa control, with some of the most expensive around! I'd hate to be a kid trying to get into one these days.
guzzler Posted October 21 Author Posted October 21 Update. G'day folk's, yesterday I had the forks moved up in the triples by another 4mm to make a total of 12mm (this is 12mm of fork plus the 3mm cap by the way as some seem to measure differently) and I have to say that I reckon this is the last piece in the puzzle for me! As I've mentioned earlier it was pretty bloody good at 8mm in the corners but felt the front was still a little vague / light cruising around without positive throttle input. I've only had one ride since, but I did manage to give her a bit of curry and I am chuffed with the handling now. The front is planted in a straight line and even more planted with greater feel and feedback through the bends! Everything I was trying to achieve! Thanks to all who have guided me in this as like many I was clueless about suspension! In summary to all this I reckon it started when I went from a 170/60 to a 160/60 rear tyre which is 6mm smaller than the former which alters the front / rear balance in an already skewed to the rear set-up. Then factor in the flaw in the compression fork leg which I tied to overcome with Progressive springs exacerbating the lack of feel there especially with no damping due to very old fork oil and then gaining an extra 10 kilos of body weight over the period and just to add to it wearing a backpack with about 10 kilos in it.....I rode her like this for some time in some pretty hairy situations and she was still ok if you rode accordingly. But bit by bit I reckon I've got her just so now (for me) and can't wait to get out there and really enjoy the ride! I don't feel like I have to compensate for any handling issues now! Sorry if this has been a bit long winded but just wanted to share how I got my bike sorted. Cheers Guzzler. Ps It's a 2001 Red frame and have the forks up thru triples by 12mm, the Guzzimoto fork fix (blocking the oil blowholes in Comp leg) Linear .95kg springs (I'm 90 ish kilos) The Comp is +4 and Reb at +12 from full soft ( set by adjusting from full hard ) Hyperpro steering damper set at + 4 and a Hyperpro 460 emulsion shock ( standard length 280mm ) which is set at + 28 of 50 clicks of rebound (comp/reb set in a fixed ratio) plus 15mm of preload on it..... And fresh oil ha ha... 5
LaGrasta Posted October 23 Posted October 23 I didn't read this entire thread, but if you search my past post, I write a bunch about this subject; set-up, SAG, suspension, etc.. I ended up at 15mm.
guzzler Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 3 hours ago, LaGrasta said: I didn't read this entire thread, but if you search my past post, I write a bunch about this subject; set-up, SAG, suspension, etc.. I ended up at 15mm. G'day Mate I did see your post about that! Just out of curiosity...how did you measure the 15mm? I have 15mm from the top of the fork cap to the triple clamp. Given that the cap is 3mm means I have 12mm of actual fork above them. I'm pretty happy with it like this! Cheers
docc Posted October 23 Posted October 23 If were talking about the early V11 with the clip-ons mounted below the top clamp, the forks are factory mounted with the top of the fork stanchion level with the top of the triple clamp and the cap standing proud. In this case, I suggest we measure any change from the top of the triple clamp to the top of the fork stanchion, not including the cap. Beginning with the 2002 LongFrames, the clip-ons are mounted above the triple clamp and, therefor, the forks are already raised above the triple clamp to clamp on the clip-ons. Whatever that actual dimension is should be the baseline to subtract from any alteration to get the actual change. Again, I suggest not including the cap. Can anyone confirm the amount of fork already above the triple clamp on a LongFrame V11? 1
guzzler Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 Cheers Doc, yeah I thought it best to measure it this way too....ie not including the cap. Be interesting to hear about the long frames eh. 1
gstallons Posted October 23 Posted October 23 (edited) I measure 22mm on mine and the fork cap is not included in the measurement . I also do not know how long the red frame v black frame forks are. Edited October 23 by gstallons 1
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