ChrisPDX Posted Thursday at 09:36 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:36 PM Hi friends: I have a 2001 Greenie I've been working to bring back to life (thanks for all the forum assistance and info). I've ridden it a bit around town, and have one current oil leak that I'm hoping for advice on. It's on the left side of the transmission case, visible just under the starter, adjacent to and slightly above the neutral warning light. It's a circular piece of steel that pokes through the case and is a little recessed (see photo - I'm pointing at it with a screwdriver). I have a manual, but can't see where that piece is named anything in the Section N Gearbox chapter. It does show up in one VERY small diagram there (see photo - I'm pointing at it with an Xacto) on p. 26 section N, but I can't work it out. And because it has no slot or fastener head on it, I'm struggling to imagine how to get it out (to put on a new o-ring or whatever) other than take that side cover off. Before such bold exploratory surgery, I thought it's best to ask :). Attached are a couple photos. The leak is just a small drip, but it does run down the side of the case and onto the pipe. I haven't ridden the bike extended miles yet, but am concerned I'd end up on the side of the road out of town with abundant hot oil on the outside, not the inside of the tranny. It does form a drip VERY slowly, maybe once a week, while cold in my garage. All advice appreciated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted Thursday at 10:04 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:04 PM Look at your Workshop Manual Section N, page 14, and you can see that mounting shaft for the lower shift wheel from the inside (toward the left side of the photographic image next to the plunger for the Neutral Switch. I am thinking it is pressed into/ part of the sideplate? Perhaps, clean the accessible outer area and apply a bead of RTV silicone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p6x Posted Thursday at 10:06 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:06 PM (edited) It looks to me that you are going to need to remove that cover as what appears to be a recess looking from the outside, is where the axle of item 12, Selector 2a-4a-6a is connected. Maybe it is a post. As you see in the drawing, there is a discontinued line going through the middle of that recess, on the other side of the selector item 12, there is a circlip. This leads me to believe this is some axle maybe a cold insert which leaks on the outside. Hopefuly, someone who has opened the gearbox should be able to shed better light. It think I have a picture of it when my geabox was opened because the pawl spring broke; you can see the axle coming out from that cover. I don't know how there could be a leak there, but you may be able to fix it from the inside. But it looks like you have to remove that cover in any case. Edited Thursday at 10:13 PM by p6x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomchri Posted Thursday at 10:29 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:29 PM docc is probably correct, pressed in. Never heard, seen a leak there before. Everything else seems A1 cleaned. You need to take the cover of, if the bike doesn't have the Chuck unbreakeable shift spring. Note some different lenght bolts. When putting back the cover, it's easy to hear it's all in, clack. Not much pressure in there, oil level correct ? Silicone, JB W. as proposed. Cheers Tom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyNZ Posted yesterday at 04:49 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:49 AM (edited) If the post for the lower gear selector cam is loose in the side plate, it explains why later gearboxes have a reinforcing "banana plate". If the post is loose, I suggest pushing it out, degreasing it and reassembling with epoxy in the joint. It's important that the height of the post is maintained. Or you could find a later side plate. It bolts up in exactly the same way as the earlier plate.. Edited yesterday at 04:51 AM by MartyNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyNZ Posted yesterday at 04:56 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:56 AM (edited) Edited yesterday at 04:59 AM by MartyNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Phil Posted yesterday at 06:12 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:12 AM Pull the side cover. If the post isn't loose clean the area down with solvent to flush out the oil thats migrated between the pin and the housing then apply Loctite wicking grade compound and re assemble. Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstallons Posted yesterday at 08:50 AM Share Posted yesterday at 08:50 AM Have you got a part # ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted yesterday at 11:52 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:52 AM 5 hours ago, Lucky Phil said: Pull the side cover. If the post isn't loose clean the area down with solvent to flush out the oil thats migrated between the pin and the housing then apply Loctite wicking grade compound and re assemble. Phil Beat me to it.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPDX Posted yesterday at 06:23 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 06:23 PM This is such great feedback and gives me good direction. Many, many thanks. Photos and diagrams thumbs up. Not sure if it's a "this weekend" project or a "next weekend" project. But @swooshdave won't let it drift much beyond that :). Appreciated! Chris 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPDX Posted 29 minutes ago Author Share Posted 29 minutes ago Minor update. Before disassembly, I wanted to be 110% sure the oil is coming from the spot, so I cleaned it again. As I was messing about in that are with paper towels and mini screwdrivers to get the last of the oil out of the crevices, I noticed...that post is absolutely loose. I can spin it quite easily with the tip of a screwdriver pushed just off center of the post from the outside. Round and round and round, no problem. So, my intention is to remove, degrease, and glue/epoxy the post in place. At the risk of instigating a "which oil is best" conversation , is the consensus on best adhesive for this steel post to aluminum case application - JB Weld? My default is probably that, but I'm a little concerned, while the post currently spins, it's actually quite a tight tolerance fit. Obviously not (successfully) press fit, but maybe...only a couple thousandths (imperial) undersize. So probably need a relatively thin adhesive to achieve the bond the full 360 and still allow a fully seated post to maintain parts alignment. Thoughts about: a. JB Weld b. Cyanoacrylate based adhesive, gel or thin c. Red Loctite d. Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted 8 minutes ago Share Posted 8 minutes ago 21 minutes ago, ChrisPDX said: Minor update. Before disassembly, I wanted to be 110% sure the oil is coming from the spot, so I cleaned it again. As I was messing about in that are with paper towels and mini screwdrivers to get the last of the oil out of the crevices, I noticed...that post is absolutely loose. I can spin it quite easily with the tip of a screwdriver pushed just off center of the post from the outside. Round and round and round, no problem. So, my intention is to remove, degrease, and glue/epoxy the post in place. At the risk of instigating a "which oil is best" conversation , is the consensus on best adhesive for this steel post to aluminum case application - JB Weld? My default is probably that, but I'm a little concerned, while the post currently spins, it's actually quite a tight tolerance fit. Obviously not (successfully) press fit, but maybe...only a couple thousandths (imperial) undersize. So probably need a relatively thin adhesive to achieve the bond the full 360 and still allow a fully seated post to maintain parts alignment. Thoughts about: a. JB Weld b. Cyanoacrylate based adhesive, gel or thin c. Red Loctite d. Other What is the "wicking" LocTite that Lucky_Phil and Chuck both suggested? While you are in there, perhaps a Chuck-designed/Scud SuperSpring? Plus, certainly worth this effort: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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