2002 Lemans - New to Me and Trying to Get it Started

[WDGUZZI]

This may need to go to the Introductions thread, but I have the issue of getting it started and also looking for a seat, so I thought I'd put it here and move it if needed.  I bought this LeMans on Friday at an estate sale auction.  I now have 10 Moto Guzzi's, 6 purchased as a package, and hope to par down the herd as I get to know them better.  I think this one will definitely be a keeper!  My 7 year old daughter and number 1 co-pilot Haley agrees!

I am trying to get it started, but am getting nothing other than lights, horn, etc.  When I turn the ignition to on, I get a red light, no neutral light, and no fuel pump prime.  I've tried with the kickstand up and down, clutch in, verified 'run' switch is on etc., but still nothing.  I see there are some very good threads here regarding no-start issues, and I'll be following them, but wanted to throw this out there in case I'm overlooking something.  Also, I understand there is a 'startus interruptus' mod that I assume is some sort of kill switch?  If someone is familiar with that I'd like to know more so that I can verify whether this bike has it.

Also, as the pictures show, I need a replacement seat or source for a cover and will be posting a wanted ad for this shortly.

And finally, I bought the bike in Albuquerque, NM.  If anyone is familiar with this machine or its former owner I'd love to hear from them.

Thanks!

Edited 8 hours ago by WDGUZZI
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[footgoose]

14 minutes ago, WDGUZZI said:

and no fuel pump prime. 

neutral light may be a bulb or other.

relay #5 far to the rear runs the pump. swap it out with new or another one, maybe #3 (docc?) and see if the pump works.  clean contacts of all of them.

what brand of relays are in it? lesser ones do go bad.

[WDGUZZI]

Thank you footgoose!  I bought a bunch of 5 pin relays from a source noted on Wildguzzi for my 1998 California.  I understand that I can replace both the 5 pin and 4 pin relays with 5 pins on the 98, so maybe I can on the Lemans as well?  I'll give it a try but first switch with the #3 relay.  All the relays appear to be in excellent condition with no corrosion (unlike my 98).  I don't know the relay brand but will check when I get home from work later today. 

[Pressureangle]

There's a current thread about stalling, with electrical schematics posted in it. I'd start by checking all fuses, order up a can of Caig DeOxit from Amazon because you'll need it. 
It appears that the electrical path is Battery-> fuse-> ignition switch-> neutral lamp-> neutral switch. 
 

 

 

 

[WDGUZZI]

Excellent - thank you Pressureangle!

[KINDOY2]

57 minutes ago, WDGUZZI said:

This may need to go to the Introductions thread, but I have the issue of getting it started and also looking for a seat, so I thought I'd put it here and move it if needed.  I bought this LeMans on Friday at an estate sale auction.  I now have 10 Moto Guzzi's, 6 purchased as a package, and hope to par down the herd as I get to know them better.  I think this one will definitely be a keeper!  My 7 year old daughter and number 1 co-pilot Haley agrees!

I am trying to get it started, but am getting nothing other than lights, horn, etc.  When I turn the ignition to on, I get a red light, no neutral light, and no fuel pump prime.  I've tried with the kickstand up and down, clutch in, verified 'run' switch is on etc., but still nothing.  I see there are some very good threads here regarding no-start issues, and I'll be following them, but wanted to throw this out there in case I'm overlooking something.  Also, I understand there is a 'startus interruptus' mod that I assume is some sort of kill switch?  If someone is familiar with that I'd like to know more so that I can verify whether this bike has it.

Also, as the pictures show, I need a replacement seat or source for a cover and will be posting a wanted ad for this shortly.

And finally, I bought the bike in Albuquerque, NM.  If anyone is familiar with this machine or its former owner I'd love to hear from them.

Thanks!

WELCOME..BRAND NEW SEATS ARE PRETTY CHEAP..YOU CAN GET ONE FROM AF1 RACING IN AUSTIN FOR LIKE $160..I'D DO THAT RATHER THAN RECOVER..  GU01460560 SEAT

Edited 7 hours ago by KINDOY2

[WDGUZZI]

Wow I had no idea there were new ones available that cheaply.  I could swear I did a search on their site and came up empty, but when I entered the part number you gave it came right up.  Thank you!  My only concern is that it states fitment for 1999 through 2005, and I thought there was a difference between the fitment for 2001 and 2002.  I'll definitely check it out, though, especially as AF1 is just 5 miles from my office.

[docc]

Welcome, @WDGUZZI! As you can see already, you are in the right place to sort a V11 LeMans!

Could you post images of the electrical menagerie under the seat?

Sometimes, a look at that will reveal modifications and monkey business . . .

 

[audiomick]

4 hours ago, WDGUZZI said:

... a 'startus interruptus' mod that I assume is some sort of kill switch? ..

No.

A number of Guzzi models, including the V11 series, were (are) prone to becoming reluctant to start with time. Some of them (not the V11, I believe, later models) had a function in the engine management that prevented starting if the system thought the voltage was too low. Others (including the V11 and my Breva 750) just don't get enough volts to the starter solenoid to pull it in properly and activate the starter motor.

The solution for the V11 and my Breva is to provide power, switched by a relay, directly from the battery to the starter solenoid (with an in-line fuse). Easy on the Breva, but on the V11 it requires an additional relay.

Never mind that for now, though. Going by your description, that is not your problem, or at least not your first problem. That is a topic that you can get into later, I reckon.

Edited 4 hours ago by audiomick

[WDGUZZI]

Yes, happy to post more pictures!  I think the previous owner was a caring one.  There is battery tender wiring and not shown is a very complete tool kit I removed to check things out.  The janky-est thing I can see of the wiring is my makeshift jumping of the battery cables while I wait for the correct size battery.  

[audiomick]

So you've apparently jury-rigged a battery to try and get it started. Are you absolutely sure you connected all the cables that need to be connected to the battery?

 

"Stupid" question, I know. Just for the sake of completeness.

[docc]

These can be vastly improved upon . . .

Might as well get yourself a set (5) of High Current relays:

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/picker-components/PC782-1C-12S-R-X/12352866

 

[KINDOY2]

"order up a can of Caig DeOxit from Amazon because you'll need it"...

 

 

This....... 

[audiomick]

Yes, but you don't need to get it from Amazon. There are reputable suppliers who sell it too...

[WDGUZZI]

I agree that maybe the zip tied battery cables should be bolted and so I'll do that.  I'll look for those relays as well.  Thanks for the tips!