EV/battery powered transportation trends

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1 hour ago, footgoose said:

...Elon... his Asperger's/autism...

Oh, that's interesting. I wasn't aware of that. Explains quite a lot.

 

Incidentally, that is not just "experience in early life". It doesn't go away. The affected individual merely developes coping strategies. Or not.

What do I know about it? A woman I work with and my older brother are both on the autism scale.

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2 hours ago, footgoose said:

When I said 'Elon is a great guy', I was of course referring to his unbridled, unequaled engineering accomplishments, and not his recently declared political position. I think his Asperger's/autism experiences in early life gave/give him unique insight, and "freed" him from the typical societal road blocks to vision and the possibilities and limitations we normal folks encounter. I think his "perceptions" guide his politics, just like the rest of us.  He has of late, become a champion of free speech, and to that I am grateful. Free speech on this forum is however, limited to non political comment. So, in light of my often shaky attempt at becoming a better, more considerate person, and follower of reasonable rules, I can't respond to your thoughts on the mans ambitions, other than ... humanity will colonize Mars. And to those who second guess him.. good luck.

I think the guy is addled.  Not just high on his own supply but perhaps too much ketamine as well.  So far as free speech, without fact checks, the only things censored are facts themselves.   I think it's a miss when Nazis are "in" and NPR is "out".

Writing about Nazis, an interesting story about his obsession with Mars.  Werner von Braun wrote a Sci Fi novel in the early '50's about colonization of Mars (wiki):

After establishing verbal communication, the humans learn about the Martians' social structure and their form of government, which is run by ten men under the leadership of "the Elon".

I kid you not.  This is the richest and most powerful man in the world (and the smartest too).  Well, good luck with that.

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2 hours ago, fotoguzzi said:

I LOVE THAT! They got Musk’s face just right, all white.

i was in Tulsa to visit the Woody Guthrie and the Bob Dylan centers.. it was good but the highlight was down the road in OK city.. the American Banjo Museum.. everyone should go there! They have about 300 Banjos on display including those owned by Earl and Steve Martin.

i had free supercharging and didn’t have to stop at any gas stations.

 

I live in OKC, haven't been to the Banjo Museum, several times too Woody's and Bob's up in T-town. 

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1 hour ago, LowRyter said:

So far as free speech, without fact checks, the only things censored are facts themselves.   I think it's a miss when Nazis are "in" and NPR is "out".

 

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2 hours ago, audiomick said:

Oh, that's interesting. I wasn't aware of that. Explains quite a lot.

 

Incidentally, that is not just "experience in early life". It doesn't go away. The affected individual merely developes coping strategies. Or not.

What do I know about it? A woman I work with and my older brother are both on the autism scale.

None of us are quite right.  There's no normal person and we all have likes and dislikes, obsessions and peccadillos.  We all suffer from pressures and stresses.  I suppose most of us see a problem when the corrupt harm innocents and obstruct the quest for truth.  

Edited January 10 by LowRyter

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4 minutes ago, LowRyter said:

.  I suppose most of us see a problem when the corrupt harm innocents and obstruct the quest for truth.  

Yes. At least I hope so.

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2 hours ago, audiomick said:

Yes. At least I hope so.

I said most for a reason.  We were yacking about an obvious exception. 

[p6x]

There is another issue with EVs;

The resale value...

The usually agreed depreciation of an ICE powered car is 30% within the three years it was purchased new.

For EVs, it is said to be 50% for the same time frame. However, because the technology is evolving so much, including batteries, that 50% is meaningless with regards to the potential market.

Once the solid state batteries become the standard, cars powered through Lithium + Ion or whatever else they came up with, may be impossible to sell.

 

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10 minutes ago, p6x said:

There is another issue with EVs;

The resale value...

The usually agreed depreciation of an ICE powered car is 30% within the three years it was purchased new.

For EVs, it is said to be 50% for the same time frame. However, because the technology is evolving so much, including batteries, that 50% is meaningless with regards to the potential market.

Once the solid state batteries become the standard, cars powered through Lithium + Ion or whatever else they came up with, may be impossible to sell.

 

The truth is LiPo batteries are not evolving particularly fast at all from an energy storage perspective so anyone that thinks in 10 years time electric cars will be much more efficient is on the wrong path. LiPo batteries were invented back in the 70's and the tech was fairly dormant until Sony from memory picked it up in the early to mid 90's so they have had over 30 years of intensive development already. Any further gains are going to be incrementally small, there are no tech leaps on the horizon. It's mostly about reducing manufacturing costs now and reducing the faulty count. Naturally all the environmentally concerned people that buy them don't have any idea or solutions on how to dispose of or re manufacture them, same as old solar panels which go into land fill along with wind turbine blades which have a hard life as well.   

Edited January 11 by Lucky Phil

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12 minutes ago, p6x said:

There is another issue with EVs;

The resale value...

The usually agreed depreciation of an ICE powered car is 30% within the three years it was purchased new.

For EVs, it is said to be 50% for the same time frame. However, because the technology is evolving so much, including batteries, that 50% is meaningless with regards to the potential market.

Once the solid state batteries become the standard, cars powered through Lithium + Ion or whatever else they came up with, may be impossible to sell.

 

Hertz is part of the problem.   Tesla too for botching the support.  Lots of cheap Model 3 on the market.  Bad marketing for both of them which otherwise should've been a lay up.   So many business "geniuses" out there.

What's happened since won't even be mentioned.  

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10 minutes ago, Lucky Phil said:

The truth is LiPo batteries are not evolving particularly fast at all from an energy storage perspective so anyone that thinks in 10 years time electric cars will be much more efficient is on the wrong path. LiPo batteries were invented back in the 70's and the tech was fairly dormant until Sony from memory picked it up in the early to mid 90's so they have had over 30 years of intensive development already. Any further gains are going to be incrementally small, there are no tech leaps on the horizon. It's mostly about reducing manufacturing costs now and reducing the faulty count. Naturally all the environmentally concerned people that buy them have any idea how to dispose of or re manufacture them, same as old solar panels which go into land fill along with wind turbine blades which have a hard life as well.   

where are all those solid state batteries and those tab-less Tesla batteries?

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18 hours ago, LowRyter said:

Hertz is part of the problem.

I am an Hertz Gold member from my working days.

There was a time when I was getting an email from them, each and every day about renting a Tesla for a heavy discount.

I recently came accross an add stating Hertz was unloading a bunch of Teslas at sacrificed prices. Just out of curiosity, I went on their website to check out what "sacrificed prices" meant. It was all a lure. The so-called "discount" pricing was for cars that had around 100k miles, so well amortized already. The lower mileage cars were in the exact same price braket as what you could find on the market.

This is not the first time I see adds for rental companies supposedly heavily discounted cars. When I was looking for a 911, I used to scan their offers, and their ask price was in the same range as other dealerships. Plus, they did not have the right color (here we go again).

 

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18 hours ago, Lucky Phil said:

The truth is LiPo batteries are not evolving particularly fast at all from an energy storage perspective so anyone that thinks in 10 years time electric cars will be much more efficient is on the wrong path. LiPo batteries were invented back in the 70's and the tech was fairly dormant until Sony from memory picked it up in the early to mid 90's so they have had over 30 years of intensive development already. Any further gains are going to be incrementally small, there are no tech leaps on the horizon. It's mostly about reducing manufacturing costs now and reducing the faulty count. Naturally all the environmentally concerned people that buy them don't have any idea or solutions on how to dispose of or re manufacture them, same as old solar panels which go into land fill along with wind turbine blades which have a hard life as well.   

 

18 hours ago, LowRyter said:

where are all those solid state batteries and those tab-less Tesla batteries?

Anyone care to elaborate on this?

[gstallons]

You got me ! IDK what a solid-state battery or a tab_less battery is .

 I thought they started out w/a zillion 18650 batteries in series parallel in a gigantic highly volatile tray that didn't like a floor jack getting it's virginity . 

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4 hours ago, docc said:

 

Anyone care to elaborate on this?

Uhhm.  None of that is on the market yet, so far as I know.  Lots of hype about it.