2000 Redframe on deck

[docc]

 

Front torque rod bolt. Worth inspecting . . .

 

[gstallons]

No , these are not worth inspection , RELPLACE the bolts on  both ends . 

[Pressureangle]

4 hours ago, gstallons said:

No , these are not worth inspection , RELPLACE the bolts on  both ends . 

Agreed, with the previous concerns noted if they come off they should just be made new.
There are many fasteners on this thing that show their age, and those I replace will probably be replaced with stainless steel as a matter of appearances but also remove any question about serviceability. 
And  yes, I know the different grades of stainless steels and their applications.

[Pressureangle]

21 hours ago, gstallons said:

I have some spare stuff . Give me some dimensions . There are two different sizes of the swingarm pivots and I need a dia. & length of the trans mount bolt.

Found the transmission cross bolt amongst the body parts. 

The pivot has 20mm x 1.0 thread x 28mm length, the stub being 17mm diameter x 21mm length. Hex head insert to turn. 

It's not impossible, given the state of affairs, that these pieces made their way into the box with the transmission itself; I'll have that in hand in a couple weeks. 

Edited March 30 by Pressureangle
correction

[Pressureangle]

Tidbit for the archives- 

I bought a pair of V11 swingarm stub bolts on eBay.de, which came today. Unfortunately, they don't fit. They are the correct length in thread and stub, but the thread of my original pivot is ~20mm, and the newly arrived ones are ~22mm. I suppose it's possible that they are from a later model, a CARC or something, but only Pete might know that. I'm thinking they're the same as my '97 Sport 1100 and they got bigger along the  way somewhere. 

[docc]

1 hour ago, Pressureangle said:

Tidbit for the archives- 

I bought a pair of V11 swingarm stub bolts on eBay.de, which came today. Unfortunately, they don't fit. They are the correct length in thread and stub, but the thread of my original pivot is ~20mm, and the newly arrived ones are ~22mm. I suppose it's possible that they are from a later model, a CARC or something, but only Pete might know that. I'm thinking they're the same as my '97 Sport 1100 and they got bigger along the  way somewhere. 

Ah, yes, the diameter changed (larger) during the V11 production run. Perhaps with the Long  Frame after 2001.....

 

Early (smaller) pivot pin: GU 37547005

[gstallons]

Is the frame color a factor ?

[docc]

35 minutes ago, gstallons said:

Is the frame color a factor ?

No. Early short frames were red as well as the black short frame of the 2001 Rosso Mandello. Pretty sure those all used the smaller pins. Long Frame started with the 2002 LeMans (some Euro models could be very late 2001).

I am not certain if the larger pins started with the first long frame or later . . .

Smaller pivot pin for the early, 1999-2001, short frame: GU 37 54 70 05

The 2002 Parts Catalog I have shows the pivot pin as 01 54 70 60

Is that the part you received, @Pressureangle?

 

 

[Pressureangle]

I ordered a set of 1100 Sport-i sideplates with pivot pins included from TLM. Either way they should work.

[Pressureangle]

1 hour ago, docc said:

 

Smaller pivot pin for the early, 1999-2001, short frame: GU 37 54 70 05

The 2002 Parts Catalog I have shows the pivot pin as 01 54 70 60

Is that the part you received, @Pressureangle?

 

 

The part number nor year was identified in the eBay listing, only "V11" but I took a chance because they were only about $35 in the door including shipping. They're very nice, clean, nuts are perfect. It's also possible if unlikely that the other pivot is in the transmission box, which I may see before the end of the month.

[docc]

I did not think the 1100 Sport-i Frame Side Plates are the same as the V11 Sport because of the gearbox and driveline offset changes . . . 

Are the pivot pin part numbers the same from the 1100 sport-i and the early V11 Sport (GU 37547005)?

[audiomick]

10 minutes ago, docc said:

Are the pivot pin part numbers the same from the 1100 sport-i and the early V11 Sport (GU 37547005)?

It seems they are.

Here, for the V11, page 12, part #3

https://guzzitek.org/parts_list/gb/1100/V11Sport-RossoMandello_1999-2001_062011_PL(GB).pdf

and here for the 1100 Sport i.e., page 27, part #3

https://guzzitek.org/parts_list/gb/1100/1100SportIE_1996_1999_052010_PL(GB).pdf

 

[Pressureangle]

11 hours ago, docc said:

I did not think the 1100 Sport-i Frame Side Plates are the same as the V11 Sport because of the gearbox and driveline offset changes . . . 

Are the pivot pin part numbers the same from the 1100 sport-i and the early V11 Sport (GU 37547005)?

I don't know why they'd be different, since the transmission is carried by the removable crosspiece, not the porkchop. The footpegs etc. don't care. Probably different part numbers but as  you're well aware that can be nothing more than the shade of paint, or updating a radius on the forging. We'll see when they arrive. 

[docc]

5 hours ago, Pressureangle said:

I don't know why they'd be different, since the transmission is carried by the removable crosspiece, not the porkchop. The footpegs etc. don't care. Probably different part numbers but as  you're well aware that can be nothing more than the shade of paint, or updating a radius on the forging. We'll see when they arrive. 

I can see that the mounting differences are more likely the rear crossmember of the spine frame and the lower, rear subframe.

[Pressureangle]

5 hours ago, docc said:

I can see that the mounting differences are more likely the rear crossmember of the spine frame and the lower, rear subframe.

My 'Sport is living in Georgia at the moment, so I don't have them side-by-side to compare. I'm going north shortly, perhaps I'll bring it home to answer some questions authoritatively.