Ballacraine Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 ...back from the dealers. Into neutral & all hell breaks loose in the clutch area. OK when the clutch is pulled in....Heavy machine gun 'clat clat clat' that you have to raise your voice to be heard over when the lever is released. Thrust bearing on the way out or what do you think, please. There is 5,500miles on the clock. Not so happy! Any diagnosis / remedy would be most welcome. Nige. <_>
Admin Jaap Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 I can't give you answers, let alone solutions. I'm a "bolt on poser" with no technical skills whatsoever. I hope it's not a big problem! But some knowledgeable forumisti will surely chime in; there is a lot of know how on clutches.
Bill Hagan Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 ...back from the dealers. Into neutral & all hell breaks loose in the clutch area. OK when the clutch is pulled in....Heavy machine gun 'clat clat clat' that you have to raise your voice to be heard over when the lever is released. Thrust bearing on the way out or what do you think, please. There is 5,500miles on the clock. Not so happy! Any diagnosis / remedy would be most welcome. Nige. <_> I likely have fewer wrench skills than Jaap , but I had a similar scare and found out I wasn't really in neutral. Know that sounds stupid (and maybe is) but double check to ensure it really is in neutral or will get an OMG sound. Best wishes until you hear from someone who knows what they are doing. Bill
Ballacraine Posted July 17, 2004 Author Posted July 17, 2004 Bit of additional information. Doesn't seem to do it when the engine is cold. Nige.
Guest MotoMessiah Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 Hmm. Still sounds like a bearing problem. The fact that it still makes the noise when the clutch is pulled in leads me to believe it's the thrust (throw out) bearing. They're noisy devils when they go out. And sometimes they're rather quiet - other times they're louid as hell. It'lll eventually be loud all the time.
Ballacraine Posted July 17, 2004 Author Posted July 17, 2004 No, the noise disappears when the clutch is pulled in... Nige.
Guest MotoMessiah Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 No, the noise disappears when the clutch is pulled in... Nige. It's been awhile since I've had a bearing problem with a bike or car, but I do remember that it will generally change pitch in sound when the clutch is pulled in. Sometimes the sounds stop all together like in your case, or sometimes it's just a bit quieter. In my last case it sounded like a washing machine with the clutch out – when I pulled it in then this whirring sound slowly subsided to a constant low clatter. Bearings are funny – they're quite, they're loud. Still sounds sadly like you're gonna have to pull the motor.
Ballacraine Posted July 17, 2004 Author Posted July 17, 2004 That is what I was afraid of... Still, throw it back at the dealer to sort it under warranty....... Unless others can cheer me up? Nige. <_>
Guest nitzge Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 my 02 lemans makes a little noise like that u describe, and the dealer assures me its a normal dry clutch, have to hear it to say if something was amiss.
Ballacraine Posted July 17, 2004 Author Posted July 17, 2004 Yeah, a little dry clutch rattle I can handle.. ....but when it is bad, you have to raise your voice to be heard over it. Never had anything like this with a five speed Tonti! Sounds like a heavy machine gun. Nige.
al_roethlisberger Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 Hope you sort it out, and that it turns out to not be a major issue But at least you haven't had this fella's experience.... so far: http://www.nmbmwmc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=490 Once again, I offer, "...see it's not just Guzzis that have QA and warantee issues" al
Ballacraine Posted July 17, 2004 Author Posted July 17, 2004 Aye,..... ..but it would have been nice to get it into my garage for the first time, without having to ring up for a warranty claim! Nige.
Baldini Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 Ballacraine, Scura clutches are hellish noisy in neutral clutch engaged, some noisier than others. Quietens when you disengage clutch. What you describe sounds normal... only a lot louder... Is it all working OK? There may be nothing wrong but there have been a couple of people had problems with flywheel, preceded by abnormal noises.... Can you contact the previous owner, check history? KB
Ballacraine Posted July 17, 2004 Author Posted July 17, 2004 Well, I bought it from the dealer who supplied it new & serviced it. Like I say only 5,500miles. He is surprised by this & has offered to sort it out. It is OK when cold but gets noisier quite quickly. It works fine. By the time I had ridden the 30miles home, it was so noisy you had to shout over it to make yourself heard! <_> When you mention flywheel problems...What exactly? Is it safe to keep using it? Nige.
Guest vkerrigan Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 I only know what I've picked up on the various boards, but I believe the Scura & Tenni had dual plate clutches rather than the single of the LeMans, etc. Again, from board discussions, there seems to be many more problems with the dual plate than the single. In fact, on WildGuzzi several people have converted to single plate from the dual (although its mostly cruisers there). I would defer to others on this forum who know more, but if you end up having your dealer tear it down, you may want to consider a conversion to a single plate clutch........vk
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