Guest dolph Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 Why is there a power loss for the Breva 1100 and also (according to the specs) the griso when compared to the v11? I would hope the Griso would have more power not less.
callison Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 Why is there a power loss for the Breva 1100 and also (according to the specs) the griso when compared to the v11? I would hope the Griso would have more power not less. 56545[/snapback] Maybe the muffler on the Griso is so ugly it sucks 3 horsepower worth of energy out of the system... I wish I knew the prices of the accessories for the Breva 1100.
Paul Minnaert Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 I think all euro3 things make it have less power, If you cutoff restrictions, and adjust injection, I think you have more. The engine is more sophisticated, double plugs, and more. In the end it won't be euro 3, but have more sound and power.
Guzzirider Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 Maybe the muffler on the Griso is so ugly it sucks 3 horsepower worth of energy out of the system... I wish I knew the prices of the accessories for the Breva 1100. 56547[/snapback] You can see the prices in sterling on Corsa Italiana's website http://www.corsaitaliana.com/index.php?f=d..._breva_1100&a=0 Guy
callison Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 You can see the prices in sterling on Corsa Italiana's website http://www.corsaitaliana.com/index.php?f=d..._breva_1100&a=0 Guy 56556[/snapback] Converting Pounds to USD and figuring for 17.5% VAT (hopefully done correctly - my math sucks...) 29LT PANNIER BOXES $721 28 LT TOP BOX with BACKREST $323 CARRIER KIT $173 SCREEN KIT $286 TANK BAG $203 REAR CARRIER BAG $169 LOW SEAT (GREY/BLACK) $191 MOTO GUZZI ALARM KIT $332 DUST COVER $100
jrt Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 29LT PANNIER BOXES $721 EEEP! The rest of the stuff looks semi reasonable, but Day-um. I'd be looking at some ammo boxes.
Steve G. Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 Until they reskin the Breva, I'll stick with my V11. Even though they reshaped the fuel tank from the early examples, it still looks not right. Maybe it's that "droopy" headlight design, I just don't know. I do like the new updated shaft drive system though. Ciao, Steve G.
callison Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 This fuel tank brought to you by the same cartoon designers that originated the "Transformers"... I hate the tank. Maybe something can be done with it. It just doesn't look like a proper motorcycle tank of any previous bike segment. I hope this isn't a new trend, it just doesn't sit right with my sense of motorcycle esthetics.
Murray Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 I think people are missing the piont regarding the power op. This is the touring model not the fire breathing sports model. Don't want to scare all those ex BMW oners with mountians of power now do we? Jibes aside the engine is tuned for flexiblity and smoothness. With the redesigned engine compents for the fist time I'll take a wild stab in the dark and assumed the engineers left themselves some room to manouver. If there is at two valve MGS01 or V11 sport replacment (if they ever actully do it) I would expect the hp output to be little higher. The look of the tank well umm I really have no opion until I see the bike but I am usally more concerned with how much the tank holds rather than what it looks like.
Steve G. Posted July 24, 2005 Posted July 24, 2005 I think I know what your getting at Murray. It should be noted that any time you are talking about a Moto Guzzi 1100cc engine, the power output will be more or less quite close, relatively, excepting the current very limited production MGS01 engine, which we can all agree won't ever find itself on a high production model [for Moto Guzzi that is]. This mainly because it can probably be agreed upon that the MGS01's engines state of tune is getting very close to this engine configuration's maximum output, and this state of tune will be reducing it's service life. I'll agree that the engineers have left themselves room to manouver with engine output, but surely we are talking only a maximum 5-7 hp, unless engine longevity/usability is of no concern. With regards to the bodywork design, of course this is always a personal taste thing. One man's 'Ferrari' is another mans 'Ford Escort'. I think you can consider yourself lucky Murray, that you have not burdened yourself [generally] with what a bike looks like. You have given yourself so many different bike ownership possibilities with this decision. Of course the size/range of the fuel tank is important to me as well, the way it looks is equally important. But the way the Breva 750/1100's are designed right now, they would not lend themselves to being able to make me automatically turn my head for a final look as I left the garage after a day's ride. A very good friend of mine who lives locally also happens to be a freelance moto-journalist, who was at the world launch of the pre-production Breva 1100. He spent a day on the machine and had very favorable words about it. He has had alot of seat time on V11's and V11 Lemans and notes the Breva is a better bike, in most every way, though a bit down on peak power to allow tuning for a more usable midrange. But there have been many bikes made over the years that were given rave reviews but were sales flops because they didn't catch the eye of the consumer. A perfect example is the current production 750/800-900/1000 cc Ducati Supersport family. A way better bike than the previous generation, but not nearly as nice looking, and 3 yr old models continue to sit on showroom floors of local Ducati shops. Clearly Pierre Terblanche [current Ducati designer] has a unique eye for what he thinks "looks right", but it is not in the majority. I feel the Breva family suffers the same fate as this Ducati model, unless they reskin the thing to give it more "flow", instead of it's current "frumpy dumpy" look. Starting right at the front, they seem to have copyied the MV Brutale headlight, also a controvertial look, but at least MV have explained that this is actually a shape used to keep the front end planted during high speed. The Breva is not able to reach Brutale velocities, so surely this is just a styling cue, and to me it simply does not work. A standard Bosch headlight used on the V11 [the exact same unit on my 1981 Laverda Jota] should be substituted right away. The front fender is ok. The tank must be changed, it must be flattened out, given flow. The seat and tail section are mostly generic looking, no appealing visual cues of greatness or uniqueness. It can be easily done. Perhaps it will take a bad selling year to bring this to the attention of Piaggio. Ciao, Steve G.
V11UK Posted July 24, 2005 Posted July 24, 2005 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say. It wasn't until I test rode the new Breva V1100 that I really appreciated what a fine motorcycle it is. The overall looks do grow on you. I'd seen the Breva prototypes and not thought much of it - preferring the more flowing lines of the naked V11. The petrol tank does hold 24 litres (5.25 UK gallons) and is better looking in the 'flesh' than two-dimensional pictures suggest. I reckon I can live with a slightly oval shaped headlight - it's performance is way ahead of the V11's Bosch unit.
Steve G. Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 The headlight better be a better light, it can't be because it looks better. Heck it looks like a giant bug from the front. And what's with those chrome things above the engine heads? Gosh I'm trying, but its not growing on me yet. Ciao, Steve G.
V11UK Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Main beam is a projector lamp, while dipped beam is a standard H4 halogen. The chrome strips are for 'visual impact' .
Baldini Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 ... Gosh I'm trying, but its not growing on me yet..... Steve, Breva looks better in the flesh than on photos. Styling gimmicks aren't so in yer face as they look. "sports" style with old fashioned tank, light, clip ons & w/o them huge great footrestr hangers/sideplates etc,etc would be good. Like Paul said - ditch the bodywork & you've still got a classic Guzzi shape - let's see the frame - I saw a drawing once looked pretty simple & sturdy. Guzzi have sorted a lot of things that needed sorting. New sump - they say ensures oil pick up under accel/braking, FI, gearbox (unbelievably slick) & that s/a/shaft works great, Weight distribution - motor is where it should be - further forward - but love the way brochures talk about innovation & revolution...heh! alternator's just gone back to where it used to be! Good on ya Chris for putting down your money Looks to me like the thought, care, design & engineering on the Breva is a good way forward for Guzzi. One thing - how do you get that oil filter out if it's overtight? KB
callison Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 One thing - how do you get that oil filter out if it's overtight? KB The same way I've done it in the past. Drive a pair of screwdrivers into it and grab those with channel-locks. Messy. Works. Funny how you'd swear that the filter wasn't overtight when you installed it and later on, it sticks like a used car salesman to a prospective customer.
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