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Some of you may recall I had my cans cut down and mounted under my bike. (See attached photo) Ever since I did this I’ve been meaning to get one of Cliff Jefferies’ MyECUs.

 

A few weeks ago I fried my stock ECU doing something stupid… never mind it is a long and embarrassing story. But this gave me a perfect excuse to send for Cliff’s programmable one.

 

He quickly whipped one up for me and an Optimiser too, and I just had my first ride.

 

My Bike is a 2003 and it has always had a loping uneven idle that left you feeling like you weren't really sure the engine would be there when you gave it throttle. Now It feels like a Swiss watch. Very immediate and responsive. Not just at idle but throughout the throttle range the response is several orders of magnitude crisper, and snappy. It feels as though I have an entirely new bike!

 

We are so lucky to have guys like Cliff.

 

Thanks Cliff!

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Frank

 

 

http://www.jefferies-au.org/MyECU/index.htm

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Hi Frank, good to hear from you as we haven't heard much from you recently. Did you get your bike back in one piece after your accident? You are going to have to tell us, what fried your ECU. If I don't ask someone else will. Could you give us a figure of what your My15 plus the Optimiser is worth delivered?

Rob

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Hi Rob,

 

I think it came to about $700 USD. For the ECU and the Optimiser unit. Cliff has the prices on his web site. I think he got it to me about 7 to 10 days after I sent him my dead ECU. It was REALLY quick.

 

Thanks for asking about the hit and run I had. After about 4 months of waiting for a replacement kickstand bracket, I had a buddy of mine cut up my bent one and weld it together into a usable shape. Can you believe it, when I got home from his house there was a message on my machine from the dealer that my bracket had arrived that very day!

 

In the meantime while I was without a bike I decided to buy a 1995 Ducati 900 SS SP. So lately I've been getting that up to speed.

 

Anyway, after sitting for a long time and it was getting old anyway, the battery in my V11 gave up. The positive lead was so tight that I couldn't lift the battery to get at the ground to disconnect it first. So I decided to disconnect the positive first to gain a little more working room. Well, we all know this is a bad idea, and sure enough, the wrench slipped and bridged the ECU case with the positive terminal. Well, that was it for my ECU.

 

Alls well that ends well though, because my bike runs about a million times better now with Cliff’s ECU, and I haven't even got the O2 sensor mounted in the system yet. I've never gotten more than 31 miles a gallon so I was running pretty rich. Even after I gutted the exhaust, I was still always running very rich. With stumbles off of idle and so forth. But now it is solid as a rock! I am really glad I did it.

 

Frank

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That's great news (except the accident and frying the ecu part). We are lucky to have people like Cliff around. I've always wanted to get one of his ECUs because they have techie cool factor :nerd: and I like to support quality homegrown..work. Guess I'll have to start saving my pennies. Thanks for the report Frank

J

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A few weeks ago I fried my stock ECU doing something stupid…

Frank

 

The ECU case should have a ground wire at one of the mounting bolts. An intermittent brush of the +12V lead across the case really shouldn't fry the ECU - just make lost of pretty sparks and ruin your composure. I've actually had the same thing happen and the ECU still runs just fine. Statiscally then, we could say that an ECU failure only occurs 50% of the time when the case is brushed by the battery lead. Lousy odds. Note to self: Avoid doing this again. :blush:

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Hi Rob,

 

I think it came to about $700 USD.  For the ECU and the Optimiser unit.  Cliff has the prices on his web site.  I think he got it to me about 7 to 10 days after I sent him my dead ECU.  It was REALLY quick.

 

Thanks for asking about the hit and run I had.  After about 4 months of waiting for a replacement kickstand bracket, I had a buddy of mine cut up my bent one and weld it together into a usable shape.  Can you believe it, when I got home from his house there was a message on my machine from the dealer that my bracket had arrived that very day!

 

In the meantime while I was without a bike I decided to buy a 1995 Ducati 900 SS SP.  So lately I've been getting that up to speed.

 

Anyway, after sitting for a long time and it was getting old anyway, the battery in my V11 gave up.  The positive lead was so tight that I couldn't lift the battery to get at the ground to disconnect it first.  So I decided to disconnect the positive first to gain a little more working room.  Well, we all know this is a bad idea, and sure enough, the wrench slipped and bridged the ECU case with the positive terminal.  Well, that was it for my ECU.

 

Alls well that ends well though, because my bike runs about a million times better now with Cliff’s ECU, and I haven't even got the O2 sensor mounted in the system yet.  I've never gotten more than 31 miles a gallon so I was running pretty rich.  Even after I gutted the exhaust, I was still always running very rich.  With stumbles off of idle and so forth.  But now it is solid as a rock!  I am really glad I did it.

 

Frank

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Did it come loaded with a MAP that closely matched your bike/modifications or does it come loaded with the stock MAP then it's up to the owner to make changes?

 

Not sure if you have worked with a Power Commander but I was wondering what the ease of modifing the MAP is compared to a PC which is a walk in the park.

 

Mike

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Yeah, I don't know if it is my good luck, but I've done the same thing.... bridged to the ECU case by accident, with no ill effects(not that I'd recommend it).

 

The ground wire should help protect it.

 

 

I also am curious about the process to tune the MyECU to fit your particular setup.

 

 

Glad to hear it worked out well :thumbsup:

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I also am curious about the process to tune the MyECU to fit your particular setup.

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You won't probably hear much, there is not much to tell. I bought a wideband probe, adjusted the O2-targets in the map, hit the auto-optimize button on the optimizer and started commuting as usual. Remember, the MyEcu is closed loop capable, so it's able to do it all alone, and it does so!

 

I can only backup what Frank said. It was fun from the first day I got mine.

 

Hubert

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Cliff had a map in there for me and it has been running quite well.

 

He has some software to tune it, or you can tune it with notepad. It is a relatively small text file. The trick is you have to know what you are doing to make any improvements.

 

I’ve never used a PowerCommander. They don’t make one for the 2003 V11. But Cliff’s ECU adjustment options are much more comprehensive.

 

Here is the map it came with, but don’t ask me to explain it. I just call Cliff, and he tells me what to do:

 

Static Config TDC=0x1600, CylOffs=270, PulsesPer=48, MissingPulses=3,CoilCharge0=6000,CoilCharge1=2500, PSensor=0

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Posted

I forgot to answer Al's question.

 

I started with Clliff's map, and that was a huge improvement. Then I started riding. I did find a little rough spot at around 5100-5600 so he walked me through making 2 additional maps. One slightly leaner in that range and one slightly richer. Tomorrow I'll plug the bike into the computer an upload one of the new maps and go for a quick ride and see if it is better or worse.

 

BTW: Before I really didn't like the way the engine felt above 5-6000 and so I tended to keep the RPM low. Now it really feels great revving up in the 6000 area. I am finding I am running the same roads 1 or 2 gears lower that before, and the power delivery is SUPER quick. I've never played with an ECU before and I am amazed how it changes the whole feel of the bike. When I bought the Ducati I kinda shifted my preference away from the Guzzi, but now the V11 can really give the Duc a run for her money. Makes me wish I had 2 butts so I could ride them both at once, and not have to choose. :P

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I’ve never used a PowerCommander. They don’t make one for the 2003 V11. But Cliff’s ECU adjustment options are much more comprehensive.

 

 

Of course they make PC's for the 03 V11's.

 

All year V11 sports have the same ECU.

like I stated in an earlier post, just the maps will be slightlly different for the newer models. (but anything seems to be an improvement in many V11's)

 

Closed loop systems for motorcycles are not perfect by any means, but I hope it works well for you. Cliffs system seems to do so.

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Hi John,

 

Go to their web site and look. Or call them, I did.

 

Here is their fitment chart from

 

http://www.powercommander.com/buynowbike.shtml

 

 

Moto Guzzi

2004-2005 Breva 750 722-411 — — —

2000-2001 V11 Sport 706-411 — — —

2000-2001 California Special 707-411 — — —

2000-2003 Jackal / Bassa / Stone 708-411 — — —

2000-2001 Quota 1100 ES 709-411 — — —

2004-2005 Breva 1100 724-411 — — —

 

 

Frank

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Yes, I'm well aware of the fitment chart that needs updating.

 

Guzzi's are such low volume for them, (virtually nil) they barely pay attention.

 

I am an authorized Power Commander dealer/Tuning Link Center and Certified PC tech Dyno shop owner. (250i)

 

I have Power Commanders fitted and running on 03 Lemans, and 04 Cafe sports with super results. Individual cyl. mapping does wonders for these bikes.

 

Guess I'll have to pester DynoJet to update the Guzzi (and Ducati,MV Augusta) site.

 

P.S, The Power Commander will fit ANY Guzzi running the 15m computer, Cruisers and sport bikes, Just the maps differ.

Posted
Yes, I'm well aware of the fitment chart that needs updating.

 

Guzzi's are such low volume for them, (virtually nil) they barely pay attention.

 

I am an authorized Power Commander dealer/Tuning Link Center and  Certified PC tech  Dyno shop owner. (250i)

 

I have Power Commanders fitted and  running on 03 Lemans, and 04 Cafe sports with super results. Individual cyl. mapping does wonders for these bikes.

 

Guess I'll have to pester DynoJet to update the Guzzi (and Ducati,MV Augusta) site.

 

P.S, The Power Commander will fit ANY Guzzi running the 15m computer, Cruisers and sport bikes, Just the maps differ.

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John,

 

I sent you a PM.

 

Mike

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