Don't do any burnouts in NZ

[Guest Nogbad]

What is it compulsory to wear earplugs!!!

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I would guess that earplugs were banned on the grounds that you wouldn't hear horns, sirens etc. Lets see who got it the right way round!

 

I find with earplugs in the whole ride has a sort of detached, surreal quality to it which I don't like. I only use them for sustained high speed motorway riding now.

[dlaing]

Yah, the California law was that you could not wear them for that reason.

When the speed limit was 55MPH, that almost made sense, because wind noise is not too bad at that speed.

I suspect the motorcyclist lobby argued that we are risking going deaf from wind noise in 65MPH winds....which after a few years of commuting, won't help us hear sirens.

I like my loud mufflers and intake, but sometimes the honk of the lidless airbox hurts my ears. Maybe I'll put a lid on it, and leave the evil Mistrals on.

But mostly I don't want to attract police attention.

The more stock it looks and sounds, the faster I can go without a ticket.

[Guest golden goose]

grossohc,

 

Actually, the other way around. Before Jan 05, it was illegal to wear earplugs in CA. In 1988, at my work required annual physical, I learned that my hearing was going south, particularly in my left ear. That was also the side the Staintune on the K100 comes out on. After enquiring as to what I did for fun, the doc suggested I wear earplugs. I didn't know they were illegal until I got written up for them on the Crest a few months later. Next time I saw the doc, I asked him for a prescription, which he gave me. But last January, the law changed in California. Its no longer illegal to wear them.

 

But when you factor in the wind noise and pipe howls, wearing earplugs is actually a pretty good idea. Your ears can only stand so much noise for so long.

[Guzzirider]

I hate earplugs for the same reason as Nogbad- I want to hear everything plus I like the music my motor makes. I never wear them on the bike.

 

They are good for rallies when you have 20 tents full of drunken fat b**tards snoring like pigs near your tent!

 

Guy

(A snoring drunken fat b**stard)

[John in Leeds]

Guy

 

I hate earplugs for the same reason as Nogbad- I want to hear everything plus I like the music my motor makes. I never wear them on the bike.

 

How do you keep your hearing over long fast runs? You must have a very quiet helmet.

 

They are however the best thing to ensure a good night when sleeping away from home

[John in Leeds]

Sorry, I know these oiks are annoying, but I can't agree with summary powers like these. We are just throwing away our traditional freedoms protected by due process of law on the flimsiest excuses. We will live to regret it. It is a lot easier to cede your freedom than to gain it in the first place.

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Traditional freedom from or traditional freedom to?

 

 

Maybe it's time that police were made to have video recorded for all time on duty (cap or helmet cam) then at least there would be some evidence either way.

 

Don't think they would like it though, must be some police members what do they think?

[Guest Nogbad]

Traditional freedom from or traditional freedom to?

Maybe it's time that police were made to have video recorded for all time on duty (cap or helmet cam) then at least there would be some evidence either way.

 

Don't think they would like it though, must be some police members what do they think?

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I'm not saying people should be free to act antisocially. What I am saying is lets debate things properly and draft workable new laws that can be enforced reliably with proper written definitions as to what behaviour constitutes a transgression. Furthermore, the accused should have the opportunity to test the evidence and mount a defence. That's what I mean by traditional freedom.

 

This government with its eye catching spin, ASBOs and summary fines needs to be slung out pronto before we wake up in an Orwellian nightmare.

[John in Leeds]

I'm not saying people should be free to act antisocially. What I am saying is lets debate things properly and draft workable new laws that can be enforced reliably with proper written definitions as to what behaviour constitutes a transgression. Furthermore, the accused should have the opportunity to test the evidence and mount a defence. That's what I mean by traditional freedom.

 

This government with its eye catching spin, ASBOs and summary fines needs to be slung out pronto before we wake up in an Orwellian nightmare.

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There is a saying - ' People who love sausages and respect the law should never watch either being made'

 

My own feelings are that the law is a minefield for its subjects and its enforcers. I would be happier if it was applied to everyone equally, in my experience it certainly is not.

 

 

John

[Martin Barrett]

There is a saying - ' People who love sausages and respect the law should never watch either being made'

 

My own feelings are that the law is a minefield for its subjects and its enforcers. I would be happier if it was applied to everyone equally, in my experience it certainly is not.

John 

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Loved the quote

 

I've expressed my concerns re Section 59, In my area it seems to be predominantly used on minimotos and nuisance youths on mopeds.

Minimotos I have no problem with at all - WTF are you using it in the street for!

My concern is with the scooter boys - Mr Smith who lives over the shops and complains all the time about the kids hanging about, there may be antisocial usage of their mopeds. Buy the time we turn up the offenders may have left. Leaving Master Bates there on his moped chatting to his mates. The PCSO turns up under pressure to do something and with out witnessing any wrong doing can issue the warning. Second time it's good by (temporarily anyway) moped.

 

At the moment you'd have to be having a fair lick on to have a dangerous driving to go with an excess speed. There is some pressure regarding motorcycle usage in some of the more rural areas, currently concentrating on noisy pipes and speeding in villages (rightly so on both accounts anti social and dangerous) Move the emphasis to speeding elsewhere (e.g national speed limits)make the equation excess speed is without consideration and likely to cause distress, get caught. Have a section 59 regardless of how the speed is dealt with (warning,ticket,summons). A marker goes on the PNC against your registration. Get caught speeding anywhere in the next 12 months and you have a marker showing a speed based section 59 and my money is on your bike being towed.

Remember there is no appeal against a the warning and no conviction in court is required.

 

Think that's unlikely these twits got their warning apparently justly (but witnessed by who and corroborated?) but seems was a straight excess speed caused their cars to be towed.

 

Okay the European Human Rights Act says all powers should be proportionate and reasonable so you can go down that route once the deed is done.

 

There is a lot of political pressure to use these powers, they're not too bothered at the collateral damage when they can quote numbers of nuisance motorists taken off the road.

 

Perhaps I'm too old school and don't trust some of my colleagues. In my current role I don't order the removal, I just call the garage. Just following orders. How does that make me feel (draw your own historic parallels)

[Guzzirider]

Guy

How do you keep your hearing over long fast runs? You must have a very quiet helmet.

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Just never had a problem- mind you I pressed my ears against the PA system when Deep Purple played Knebworth so I think I ruined my hearing in 1985.

 

Guy

[pete roper]

At the moment you'd have to be having a fair lick on to have a dangerous driving to go with an excess speed. There is some pressure regarding motorcycle usage in some of the more rural areas, currently concentrating on noisy pipes and speeding in villages (rightly so on both accounts anti social and dangerous) Move the emphasis to speeding elsewhere (e.g national speed limits)make the equation excess speed is without consideration and likely to cause distress,  get caught. Have a section 59 regardless of how the speed is dealt with (warning,ticket,summons). A marker goes on the PNC against your registration. Get caught speeding anywhere in the next 12 months and you have a marker showing a speed based section 59 and my money is on your bike being towed.

Remember there is no appeal against a the warning and no conviction in court is required.

 

Okay the European Human Rights Act says all powers should be proportionate and reasonable so you can go down that route once the deed is done.

 

There is a lot of political pressure to use these powers, they're not too bothered at the collateral damage when they can quote numbers of nuisance motorists taken off the road.

 

Perhaps I'm too old school and don't trust some of my colleagues. In my current role I don't order the removal, I just call the garage. Just following orders. How does that make me feel (draw your own historic parallels)

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I'd reckon it would make you feel pretty uncomfortable. A certain racer of a Mk IV LeMans out here used to be a traffic cop in the AFP, (Australian Federal Police.) and in the end gave it away. While he's never opened up completely about why, (Even when we try grilling him when he's at a rally and is sitting downwind of Bart who insists on smoking a bloody great joint and 'Passive Smoking' him as hard as possible ) hints have been given that he became very uncomfortable about some of the things he had to do and the fact that discretion was slowly being elliminated from his job. He's now off that and back to walloping Crim's which is a lot more black and white and seems a lot happier, (The sod dropped in this morning though and his beergut is now bigger than mine! How the bloody hell am I supposed to build a competitive bike when it has to drag around a great mountain of dripping like that???? ).

 

What shits me to tears is the fact that all the tickets I've got in the last 10 years bar one have been on open roads that are totally devoid of traffic. At the same time mongoloids, both in cars and on bikes, scream through my town on the weekend at well over the local speed limit and every day I see examples of the most dreadful driving and riding. I don't mind if they kill themselves, (Although I hate to think that if they are maimed doing something patently stupid, like a 300metre mono down the main street of Bunged End my taxes will have to pay for their lives in a wheelchair or iron lung!). Actually of course I do, but their idiocy makes me less than sympathetic if they do hurt themselves.

 

There is risk in everything we do. I find it both idiotic and frightening that our ellected representatives seem to think that they can actually legislate against cretinous behavior. Perhaps if they stopped spending money on speed cameras and the like and re-invested in teaching science at school all the way to year 12 so that kids coming out of school at least had a basic grasp of the understanding of the laws of physics you wouldn't see so many of them loosing traction, either intentionally or unintentionally, and the roads would be a safer place. if they realized that by spinning their bloody wheels, (Or lofting the front one on a bike!) they are wasting energy that could be used to make 'em go forward they might stop it or at least look at other outlets for their social inadequacy!!

 

Get the message across that if you're SERIOUS about going REALLY fast and if you want to perform stunts then the place to do it is the RACE TRACK!!!! Subsidise or encourage dealers to throw in a free track day with every purchase of a performance car or bike. Let the pencilnecks play on a patch of tarmac once a week that has been bleached up for burnouts and FINALLY give back the discretion to the wallopers so that they can make a choice if they issue a ticket or simply pull us over and examine our machines and if they look OK and we don't give them the shits they can decide if they ticket us or simply give us a bollocking!

 

I've finally learnt that I can't ride for toffee! I also no longer have anything to prove to anyone, ipso-facto I'm very happy riding my poor, sad, old Convert around and never pushing the limits. What worries me is that the Mighty 'Vert with it's massive 44 rear wheel BHP is more than capable of touring at 80MPH/130KPH perfectly happily and if I get pinged doing it I WALK for three months and have to pay over $1,600 in fines!!! Even if I'm out the back of Woop-Woop and there isn't another vehicle for twenty miles! it's insane!!!! I've only got three points left, (Out of 12.) on my licence and I'm getting a bloody Griso in the next couple of months! Anyone know how to disable the shifter so I can turn it into a three speed with only 1st, 2nd and 3rd available? Oh, and I'll need some trainer wheels and two of the plug leads pulled off to keep it that slow

 

Pete

[g.forrest]

Sorry, I know these oiks are annoying, but I can't agree with summary powers like these. We are just throwing away our traditional freedoms protected by due process of law on the flimsiest excuses. 

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here , here .

[dlaing]

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well said!

The only thing I might disagree with is that a little spinning of wheels on public roads is a good idea, and you shouldn't need to pay a race track for the pleasure of learning how to drive or ride.

If more people pushed their cars a little and learned how to handle it when it is sliding out and the wheels are spinning, it would be a good thing.

Same thing with novice riders learning twisties...If they just methodically practiced on a series of safe turns, they could get better and be safer riders, but doing this can attract the police.

Another good place to learn is open parking lots, but again, it attracts the police, especially if your tires are squealing.(pig call )

Here in California, the police have made me turn around in an inch of snow. Good grief, no wonder Californians crash when they drive in Vermont in winter!

On the other side of the argument, people are too stupid to know when it is safe to push the vehicle to the limits.

I look for non-blind curves with increasing radiuses.

But, when I ride with my buddies, they sometimes blaze down roads with busy intersections....freaking stupid, and I have to admit that when I ride with them, I sometimes get caught up in the frenzy...stupid I tell, ya, s-t-u-p-i-d.

[g.forrest]

''common sense and experience count for naught..when some young upstart copper has you..you may explain that you have however many years on motorcycle or whatever.to even point out the fact as i have. ie no reported accidents, no insurance claims. but when they got ya they got ya..simply applying the law verbatin..and then tell you they are applying the law in the interest of safety, my point yes i speed, get no excitement from rideing at speed limits, but never been involved in accident. iv'e lost my licence twice though and been done for up to 40kmh over the limit in 100 zone. and payed out thousands of dollars in fines. but never injured one other sole on roads..i still speed and get away with it 99.99 percent of the time. so who benefits from the penalties imposed on me..

well said!

The only thing I might disagree with is that a little spinning of wheels on public roads is a good idea, and you  shouldn't need to pay a race track for the pleasure of learning how to drive or ride.

If more people pushed their cars a little and learned how to handle it when it is sliding out and the wheels are spinning, it would be a good thing.

Same thing with novice riders learning twisties...If they just methodically practiced on a series of safe turns, they could get better and be safer riders, but doing this can attract the police.

Another good place to learn is open parking lots, but again, it attracts the police, especially if your tires are squealing.(pig call    )

Here in California, the police have made me turn around in an inch of snow. Good grief, no wonder Californians crash when they drive in Vermont in winter!

On the other side of the argument, people are too stupid to know when it is safe to push the vehicle to the limits.

I look for non-blind curves with increasing radiuses.

But, when I ride with my buddies, they sometimes blaze down roads with busy intersections....freaking stupid, and I have to admit that when I ride with them, I sometimes get caught up in the frenzy...stupid I tell, ya, s-t-u-p-i-d.

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[Guzzirider]

I think the answer to this one is simple- if you want to ride very fast, do it on the track, because eventually if you ride like a twat on the road you will get caught or splat yourself, which I have done 3 times when I was a stupid teenager full of testosterone.

 

You can't do burnouts on a track day because its dangerous- someone may crash into you from behind but go to a drag strip and you can burnout to your heart's content for very little money.

 

Can't see the point of it myself because you will just wreck your rear tyre and clutch eventually, and if you are drag racing a Guzzi, there is no need to burnout because our bikes don't slip and slide like powerful fours- they just dig in.

 

Guy