Murray Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Depends quiet a bit on the Textile jacket you have there is quiet a bit of vairiation out there and some are fairly cheap and nasty. For touring day to day riding its pretty hard not to go past a quality textile jacket nowdays. I have had a Tiger Angel elements for a number of years now and its an excellent do everything jacket. Its the first piece of motorcycle clothing that is 100% water proof with the liner removed its cool in summer and with the liner in warm in winter. Its even had a couple of minor excursions down the road and came up very well. Probally the only real criticism of these type of garments is witht he extra room they have for a removable lining they do tend to flap round a bit at errmm ethusiastic touring speeds. Not cheap but I highly recommend them Tiger Angel I am not affiliated with the company in any way just one very happy customer. This jacket has also held up a lot better that some of the more touted BMW touring gear however after having a set of thier gloves I'll never go near thier stuff again. For predicatble weather and more open roads I tend to use the leather I have for racing I was so happy with the textile jacket I got a Tiger Angel race suit (leathers is thier main buiness) custom made and on the bike its excellent. The best bit I foud was for me I can ring them up they are only on the other side of the country and talk to them arrange repairs etc etc In english usally at worst couple of weeks turn around (half of that is probally postage). A lot of stuff is made in India and Pakistan and China now while the prices are very compedative the back up service doesn't seem to be there. Ok so for the orginal poster get a good quality textile jacket it will probally meet your needs the best, unless you want to start doing track days on a regular basis.
Alex-Corsa Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 If you want the toughest abrasion protection, Kangaroo leather is the best. Guy Yea? why that? I have noticed that Daytona security evo model is made of Kangaroo leather.But I like these animals and I guess there are not plenty of them so I'm in a way not in fave to use them for boots and other stuff.
Guest Nogbad Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Yea? why that? I have noticed that Daytona security evo model is made of Kangaroo leather.But I like these animals and I guess there are not plenty of them so I'm in a way not in fave to use them for boots and other stuff. 75325[/snapback] I think you will find that the Aussies have a surfeit of 'roos. So much so I saw in the press recently that they want people to eat more of them. I wouldn't worry about the sustainability of your race suit, the petrol will run out long before the kangaroo leather.
Mike Stewart Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 I think there is a miss under standing about Kangaroo leather. It is stated that Kangaroo leather is the toughest against abrasion. While this is true, the Kangaroo leather is thinner and quite lighter than leather. In a recent crash, I was wearing a Kangaroo suit, (very comfortable and light) problem being is that in the high pressure point areas, the Kangaroo leather did wear through. I think I would of been better off wearing my heavy Dainese Leathers in this crash. Mike If you want the toughest abrasion protection, Kangaroo leather is the best. Guy 75321[/snapback]
Steve G. Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Yea? why that? I have noticed that Daytona security evo model is made of Kangaroo leather.But I like these animals and I guess there are not plenty of them so I'm in a way not in fave to use them for boots and other stuff. 75325[/snapback] WOT? You don't like cows? What's wrong with cows then? I like 'em! Ciao, Steve G.
Steve G. Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Other than leather, Kevlar is the only material they allow on the ractrack. That's Motoport/Cycleport. And yeah, they might have moved from the Carlsbad airport area since I visited them 10yrs ago. I'll concede that leather has better abrasion resistance than any but non 'poly' 1000Denier Gortex. Ciao, Steve G.
jimbemotumbo Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Leather, if you value your skin. I can't stand textile jackets. Uncomfortable (they never break in or flex). Others disagree. Very personal. But - my leather fits ME, perfectly. The only downside is dampness, which is why my new jacket is made of waterproof leather. First Gear, I believe. It even has pockets for armor if you feel the need. Comfy, warm, dry, protective, AND doesn't make me look a Power Ranger. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I had the misfortune of seeing a post accident textile jacket and victim several years ago. The poor chap had melted textile embedded into his skin. They had to dig it out. Don't go there. A high quality leather jacket is MUCH better than several layers of skin, as someone suggested. Depends entirely on the quality ... you get what you pay for in most cases.
docc Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Geez Docc, Why not red for an Aerostitch? Fading I'm thinking. I might add that blue fades too. Ciao, Steve G. 75295[/snapback] Yeah, but when the blue fades it's sort of light blue or blue-grey. My byootyful red on red Aerostich has tuned pink and orange within 2 years. Nice suit and good people but no fix. They even told me reds dyed overseas hold up better since there are fewer restrictions on the dyes. I'm using a 2 piece Roadcrafter which has a big water scoop gap over the belly. If I did another it would be one piece. Motoport(Cycleport) has a great reputation with the riders I run with. Interesting no one is riding in t-shirt and shorts with his bird in a halter and thong?
stormsedge Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 I have both...the mesh gear with waterproof insert for hot weather and leather zip togther pants/jacket (all Rocket) for cooler weather. Bought the mesh because the summer weather here in TN (much like DC) is so very hot and humid, and I just didn't feel safe anymore in my t shirt and jeans. Bought the leather for the cooler weather and after reading an article, I think in "Motorcyclist", about the friction characteristics of the different riding suit materials and their contribution (or protection from ) injury in a spill. The friction properties discussed in this case were not so much the abrasion resistance, but the ability of the material to allow your precious bod to "skid" along the hard road surface without alot of bouncing/flailing about as a result of the material's desire to rub with the road. Jeans it turns out, was like throwing down sandpaper and caused the extremities to flail around in a manner to cause more injury...the textiles (solid, not mesh type) were middle ground, all causing less flailing of extremities/injuries...leather offered the "slickest" ability to skim along the surface w/no flailing (probably the reason for racing requirements). Anyway, wish I had the article or remembered more of the specifics. I never saw their subsequent tests of the mesh gear...but use mine all the time as better than what I used to wear. All that said, my leathers have a lower comfort factor than the mesh...maybe because they are less forgiving of one too many twinkies consumed, but they are certainly higher on the protection factor and look like they mean business. In my dreams, though, I am eventually going to purchase a real touring bike and plan to complement that with a set of Aerostitch textile (or BMW textile) as the best of both worlds and the path of least resistance to long term comfort. I noticed an earlier discussion on colors...my mesh and leather jacket have the yellow panels on chest, back and arms...I have had little fade in the mesh jacket despite nearly three years of use and multiple washings, and the yellow still seems to alert SUV drivers of my presence...of course, I also seem to stand out when I stop at the HD dealer for coffee in the yellow, with my red Guzzi Tshirt underneath---someone always asks "are you riding that Guzzi out there?" uh, yes... k ps, I do have a very nice HD leather jacket that I received as a gift...no padding, but very nice...I occassionaly wear it to church.
motoguzznix Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 There ist nothing that can beat a good, broken in leather suit. In terms of protection - a mid class leather suit offers the same kind of abrasion protection like the most expansive textile ones. Was the conclusion of a comparison test in a german motorcycle journal last year. And when a leather suit fits to your body, the protection elements are always where they have to be. In terms of riding. A good leather suit makes you a better motorcycle rider. And you are sitting in a better riding position on your bike. And last but not least: I don't go to sleep with my motorcycle leathers. And I don't go riding my motorcycle with a pyjama! Don't take me too serious - but its my opinion. P.S.: There was a new Dainese leather suit underneath the christmas tree - I hope to have it broken in soon.
Alex-Corsa Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 WOT? You don't like cows? What's wrong with cows then? I like 'em! Ciao, Steve G. Who said that?I like them too
Guzzirider Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Yea? why that? I have noticed that Daytona security evo model is made of Kangaroo leather.But I like these animals and I guess there are not plenty of them so I'm in a way not in fave to use them for boots and other stuff. 75325[/snapback] Yep there are plenty of Roos in Australia- I have eaten the meat a couple of times but don't like it very much- quite bland compared to beef. Guy
helicopterjim R.I.P. Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Other than leather, Kevlar is the only material they allow on the ractrack. That's Motoport/Cycleport. And yeah, they might have moved from the Carlsbad airport area since I visited them 10yrs ago. I'll concede that leather has better abrasion resistance than any but non 'poly' 1000Denier Gortex. Ciao, Steve G. 75340[/snapback] I don't have any specs to quote but the new leathers I have ordered are of the 'next generation' with composite leather material. If you look at a closeup of any MotoGP riders leathers they are looking more like a cloth material now. When I get mine I'll try and pass on what they are like but supposedly they are almost as well vented as any textile and more abrasion resistant than plain leather. Don't ask what they cost. I havn't got the bill yet!
Steve G. Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 I don't have any specs to quote but the new leathers I have ordered are of the 'next generation' with composite leather material. If you look at a closeup of any MotoGP riders leathers they are looking more like a cloth material now. When I get mine I'll try and pass on what they are like but supposedly they are almost as well vented as any textile and more abrasion resistant than plain leather. Don't ask what they cost. I havn't got the bill yet! 75372[/snapback] Hi Jim, Your new suit, who makes it? One piece? Ciao, Steve G.
Murray Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 Who said that?I like them too 75361[/snapback] They both taste great! aprox 14 million Kangaroos in Australia we're not running out of them any time soon.
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