Baylis Brilliant at Monza

[Steve G.]

The big twin doesn't seem to have a top speed deficit. And Baylis is very much at home in WSB. Good to see one of the good guys do well.

Ciao, Steve G.

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The big twin doesn't seem to have a top speed deficit.

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the Ducati was defintively slower than the multis at the first races, in Quatar.

Obviously, no more, and Bayliss is just flying...

[helicopterjim R.I.P.]

Corser complained that the Ducati's traction control allowed it to out accelerate the 4's out of corners by a large margin.

 

It is also speculated that Bayliss's success will kill Ducati's push for a 1200 cc limit for 2 cylinder bikes in Superbike. crash.net

 

Perhaps they will get him a Superbike Desmosedici next year ....

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Corser complained that the Ducati's traction control allowed it to out accelerate the 4's out of corners by a large margin.

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it has always been that way: when Ducati isn't winning, no one minds them and they all say 'underpowered twin'. No one was complaing in Quatar...

 

And when they win, the loosers are fast to say it's always because of some advantages (it was weight for a few years and when they killed the weight advantages, the ducatis were still winning) ducati has given to them by the SBK rules. So, now it's traction control ? I've heard no one complaining Honda has it and they even have a state of the art electronic steering damper...So, Ducati has been developping bold electronic assistance systems (clutch automatic revving system, now available on the street going ducatis) and they work to great effect. Chew on that one, Corser

 

the bike is just great and Bayliss is awesome. that's all

[Steve G.]

Corser complained that the Ducati's traction control allowed it to out accelerate the 4's out of corners by a large margin.

 

It is also speculated that Bayliss's success will kill Ducati's push for a 1200 cc limit for 2 cylinder bikes in Superbike. crash.net

 

Perhaps they will get him a Superbike Desmosedici next year ....

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It has been more or less proven and agreed upon that the architecture of a 4 cylinder engine has an advantage over twins to making more power. I think I heard Bayliss say that the acceleration of Corser's Suzuki is unmatched by Ducati, but the smaller aerodynamic profile of the Ducati allows it to eventually reach a simliar top speed.

Both the current twin and Suzuki are in the meaty part of their development, approaching maximum potential. I see the others [Honda, Kawasaki] catching up power wise. The Ducati will still have an advantage handling wise, as well as the long known ability to be less destructive to it's tires than the 4's, giving the tire microscopic rests in between it's power pulses,a very important point considering the current state of Pirelli racing tires .

A desmosedici would be an interesting addition. I don't think Bayliss would welcome it, as they just don't go around corners like the twin.

Ciao, Steve G.

[Murray]

the 1200cc thing is more about getting the Ducati race bikes back closer to the production bikes. The same way the 4's are its about cost more than anything, I think Ducati will get it KTM and a few others are looking at if its allowed which can only be good for the series. Certianly that Ducati rips off the line and out of the corners a lot better than the fours seem to. Obiously a lot is related to how loose the nut is on the end of the throttle but Corser and Haga have proved they are no slouches int he past. Itsa ripping series anyway much better than the other lot with the ever shrinking grid.

[svjj]

I am glade this was brought up. I love watching the SBK series since the AMA series is so boaring. Could someone please tell me what the reason Ducati can't get out of its own way in the AMA series and in SBK they seem to be one the the main front runners. I thought when Neil came to the AMA seires for Ducati we would have an new challager but he seem to strugel as well. I think Ducati could use the 1200 cc engine in th AMA series.

Just wondering

 

cheers

JJ

[Murray]

Not familar with the AMA rules the WSBK Ducati's are pretty much specalist race bikes supposedly they idle at around 3000 rpm and are built under the old WSBK rules where the fours had to be 750's with a similar amount of modifcation. Witht he 1000cc fours running they muct be a lot closer to stock things like airboxes cranks some other major engine componets must be production based. Where as Ducati can pretty well replace anything it likes providing it keeps the production engine layout and capacity. The idea with the 1200cc thing is Ducati will be allowed fewer modifcations but the extra cpacity. Moto Morini has just released a 1200cc twin Aprilia has announced a V4 based off thier dirt bike motor which will go superbike racing wounder if Guzzi will pick up the mantle even if its just to develop the new water cooled motor (which I consider inevatible its just a case of when).

 

Its probally more down to money than anything the WSBK is mainly a European based series Ducati's main market is still Europe so it makes sense that the factory puts thier biggest efforts in there. Its intresting because Matt Maldin is Australian he writes a colum in the odd local bike rag he keeps saying he won't go to WSBK if it means a pay cut which apparently it will be. Suzuki obiously sells a few bikes in the USA.

[helicopterjim R.I.P.]

the bike is just great and Bayliss is awesome. that's all

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..... and that just about says it all!

[helicopterjim R.I.P.]

the WSBK Ducati's are pretty much specalist race bikes supposedly they idle at around 3000 rpm

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With the slipper clutches they have now they can idle lower. Before it was to keep the rear wheel from hopping on decelleration.

[Steve G.]

I am glade this was brought up. I love watching the SBK series since the AMA series is so boaring.   Could someone please tell me what the reason Ducati can't get out of its own way in the AMA series and in SBK they seem to be one the the main front runners. I thought when Neil came to the AMA seires for Ducati we would have an new challager but he seem to strugel as well. I think Ducati could use the 1200 cc engine in th AMA series.

Just wondering

 

  cheers

      JJ 

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Word I've heard is that Neil Hodgson is not getting the same bikes as WSB spec Ducks. Also remember that riders used to the ultra smooth , European tracks have a tough time on the quality of the tracks in North America, which often use 1/4 mile drag strip launch areas and shut down areas as part of the circuit track. But we must remember the great equalizer, Pirelli tires. At winter testing at Philip Island, Mr. Personality Mladin, using Dunlop rubber, was consistantly faster than all the WSB boys on their Pirelli's. The WSB series would most definitely have a different scene if other rubber was allowed. As it stands now, The Ducati's are able to make the rubber last longer, the 4's are just wrecking the tires.

Ciao, Steve G.