want new rotors

[Greg Field]

How about these rotors that the new 1200S have? What are they anyways?

 

They are the Braking rotors. These are the ones I have. They are excellent.

[Baldini]

...replace my entire front braking system with the same Brembo System that Todd Eagan has on his V11-powered Jackal. His brakes are true one finger operation with a great deal of "feel", ...

 

Sounds good. What system? detailed on earlier Guzzitech link? Presumably expensive - ? I find stock brakes stop OK but do need a lot of lever pressure.

 

KB

[Guest Nogbad]

RIDE magazine tested a hack Kawasaki ER5 against an RSV Factory in a brake test from 40 mph. The difference - 15 cm. (6").

 

IF at a reasonable lever pressure you can more than overcome the friction between tyre and road, the effectiveness of the brakes becomes a matter more of subjective feel. Ok granted the ER5 brakes would probably fade madly if used really hard, whereas the RSV's would not.

 

For street riding though, the stock V11 brakes are more than good enough.

[Alex-Corsa]

RIDE magazine tested a hack Kawasaki ER5 against an RSV Factory in a brake test from 40 mph. The difference - 15 cm. (6").

 

IF at a reasonable lever pressure you can more than overcome the friction between tyre and road, the effectiveness of the brakes becomes a matter more of subjective feel. Ok granted the ER5 brakes would probably fade madly if used really hard, whereas the RSV's would not.

 

For street riding though, the stock V11 brakes are more than good enough.

 

I think the brakes of the V11 are enough for street riding. Further more it depends on the riders abbility to

bring the potential of the brakes to the fully effectiveness. Something that 90% of the riders can't do.

Testers on he Ride magazine are professionals and just give the best out of it, for sure that conclusion doesn't apply to all riders , for me it just describes the potential of the perticular braking system of the test.

Braking is an art and needs practicing, I always practice this approach , which I read from Nick's Ienatsch book .

Basic principle is: First squese on the brake and NOT grab , this will bring load to the front tire, and then tire will start to grip on the road, gradually apply more pressure to the lever to have an effective braking(depending the stop you may want), but it needs attention concentration and practice in order to brake correct and NOT having the front wheel locked with disasterous effects. Buy and read this book 'Sport Riding techniques' from Nick there are a lot of secrets in safe and correct riding there.

 

Further more (and thi is not my opinion , but motorcycle magazine test riders one)the best braking on the street can be achieved from ABS systems , and the new ones found on new models surpace any braking from any driver(using non ABS brakes) especially on difficult street conditions , such as wet, or dirty roads, ect.ect.

[Guest Nogbad]

I must try a modern ABS bike sometime.

 

The stock V11 brakes have a nice balance between power and feel, and don't need a heavy lever pressure. They are a lot nicer than the brakes on my Buell.

[Guest KeS]

I must try a modern ABS bike sometime.

 

The stock V11 brakes have a nice balance between power and feel, and don't need a heavy lever pressure. They are a lot nicer than the brakes on my Buell.

 

I think most of the ABS discussions miss the point, as people focus on ultimate best stopping distances. The enormous advantage of ABS, to me, is that it permits me to *safely* practice threshold braking, as a regular part of riding/practice. Most people just don't do that with non-ABS brakes, simply because the risk isn't worth it. I'm confident that I can stop my KRS much more reliably and quickly than either of my other bikes, even without activating the ABS, just because I have *much* more practice threshold braking on it. That experience has benefited my riding on the other bikes as well, but not nearly to the same degree.

 

KeS

 

V11 (no ABS)

K12RS (awesome ABS)

GSXR-1000 (brakes?, what brakes?)

[Guest Nogbad]

I think most of the ABS discussions miss the point, as people focus on ultimate best stopping distances. The enormous advantage of ABS, to me, is that it permits me to *safely* practice threshold braking, as a regular part of riding/practice. Most people just don't do that with non-ABS brakes, simply because the risk isn't worth it. I'm confident that I can stop my KRS much more reliably and quickly than either of my other bikes, even without activating the ABS, just because I have *much* more practice threshold braking on it. That experience has benefited my riding on the other bikes as well, but not nearly to the same degree.

 

KeS

 

I did a specific braking course a couple of years ago. A real revelation. Before that I probably only used 30% of the bike's stopping ability. Recommended! Modern ABS must be good to have.

[Guest Gary Cheek]

I think most of the ABS discussions miss the point, as people focus on ultimate best stopping distances. The enormous advantage of ABS, to me, is that it permits me to *safely* practice threshold braking, as a regular part of riding/practice. Most people just don't do that with non-ABS brakes, simply because the risk isn't worth it. I'm confident that I can stop my KRS much more reliably and quickly than either of my other bikes, even without activating the ABS, just because I have *much* more practice threshold braking on it. That experience has benefited my riding on the other bikes as well, but not nearly to the same degree.

 

KeS

 

V11 (no ABS)

K12RS (awesome ABS)

GSXR-1000 (brakes?, what brakes?)

 

Very well put. Even the best hands cannot respond as quickly and directly to the constant surface condition changes in 200 feet of any wet road.

[Guest Mattress]

Motorrad magazine (german) did a nice comparison of ABS vs normal. They pitted some GP test rider against an average joe. Braking was over a variety of surfaces (dry to wet iron plate, etc). Also tested a few different bikes. This was around 2002.

 

GP dude with normal brakes BARELY stopped shorter than average joe with ham fist on his ABS lever for all bikes.

 

If I recall there was some critisism of the BMW and FJ-somthing Yamaha, but all in all, they all stopped as short as possible for an average rider.

 

Maybe someone on the forum has that issue and could scan and post. I threw all mine out when I moved back to the US.

[Alex-Corsa]

As MOTORRAD stated in their rescent 2006 ABS test the new ABS are even better than ever.

Now , I have measured my Brembo oro, rotors and they are 4.1 and 4.2 mm from 5mm that is when new , should I start thinking on changing them?

 

These are the rotors I have : http://www.guzzitech.com/Brembo-50SFRotor-Todd_E.html

[Baldini]

....The stock V11 brakes...don't need a heavy lever pressure....

For you maybe. Dunno your strength. Dunno your tyres or what surface, or what you think of as hard braking. A rock climber will have stronger fingers than me. A BT020 on gravel will lock soon enough without lever effort. A grippy tyre (Pilot Power/SportAttack etc) on a grippy surface will stop real hard before locking but I have to put a hefty four finger effort on the lever to get it to do so. The brakes are good, but if there is a system that can do same stop using one or two fingers & still retain good feel & sensitivity, then that, for me, is a better system - for road or track. If stock matches your needs - fine, but we're not all you.

 

KB