Where to order a Power Commander?

[vtwin]

ok, here's the deal; My friend just bought a used 2001 V11 and he wants to add a PC. (He will probably add Mistral cans too)

 

the price of a PC is ridiculous in Europe, so I'm helping him to get one from the US, where the price seems more reasonable.

 

Question is Where do I order it from, and what model? Delivering is not a problem, I will order it to a US address and it will be brought to europe in a suitcase :-) (no taxes!)

 

Any help and pointers to online sellers etc. is much appreciated!

 

- marko

[mike wilson]

Hopefully not to start a battle but why? The PC is an add-on to the present system. Just another thing to go wrong. There is a tuneable (without a dyno as I understand it) _replacement_ system in the MyEcu. I have used neither but the MyEcu looks to be cheaper and easier overall and at least as effective.

[vtwin]

I know about the MyEcu, I've even witnessed it on a 1100i Sport Corsa and it did wonders!

 

But, my friend does not have the skill nor the time to fiddle with it (and MyEcu cheaper? PC is roughly US$350, right?)

 

The PC will be programmed locally by a guzzi specialist. (and there are maps on the Internet too, for quick test etc...)

[mike wilson]

As I understand it (this is only based on reading, not actual use) the PC is not totally effective until it has been dynoed. This has to be repeated after any change. That gets really expensive really quickly. Unless you have a friend....

 

MyEcu is $270 (Australian...) as a kit, about $600 assembled. So it's a quite a bit cheaper if you wish to build it into your own ecu box and more expensive to buy assembled. But you don't need an unknown quantity of dyno time. Plus it deals with parameters that the PC does not.

 

It seems to me that your friend will be getting somone else to do the work whichever is bought but the MyEcu is a better deal.

[Guzzirider]

If you do a search on EBay there are normaly PC111USBs for sale at a reasonable price.

[Guest Dru]

Hey vtwin!

 

The PC3 is awesome and does wonders when properly set up. I have friends who own motos that have been transformed in performance and driveability by the PC3.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the best place to get one is from http://www.guzzitech.com/

 

Todd and Ed know what they're doing, period. They'll even upload a semi custom map for your moto's set up.

 

Here's the direct link: http://www.guzzitech.com/PCIII-15M.html

 

Cheers,

DRU

[Guest drknow]

Hey vtwin!

 

The PC3 is awesome and does wonders when properly set up. I have friends who own motos that have been transformed in performance and driveability by the PC3.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the best place to get one is from http://www.guzzitech.com/

 

Todd and Ed know what they're doing, period. They'll even upload a semi custom map for your moto's set up.

 

Here's the direct link: http://www.guzzitech.com/PCIII-15M.html

 

Cheers,

DRU

I second this. Todd has been doing this a long time and will provide you with a great base line. It will be better immediatly. Sure, a good custom map by someone who knows is the ultimate, but certainly not something you have to do.

 

dk

[pShenk]

As I understand it (this is only based on reading, not actual use) the PC is not totally effective until it has been dynoed. This has to be repeated after any change. That gets really expensive really quickly. Unless you have a friend....

 

MyEcu is $270 (Australian...) as a kit, about $600 assembled. So it's a quite a bit cheaper if you wish to build it into your own ecu box and more expensive to buy assembled. But you don't need an unknown quantity of dyno time. Plus it deals with parameters that the PC does not.

 

It seems to me that your friend will be getting somone else to do the work whichever is bought but the MyEcu is a better deal.

 

I have a MyECU, and while I'm pretty happy with it, and it's tweakablility, it's not for the faint of heart. You can customize the map all you want, but unless you go to a dyno, or run it in closed-loop (and install an O2 sensor), that won't get you much.

 

The advantage I see of the PC is that there is a network of dyno operators that are already set up to tune it. If your friend isn't a tinkerer, and doesn't have a lot of time to spare, then I'd definitely go with the PC.

[antonio carroccio]

At McDonald!

In Europe we use to have a happy meal with some nice surprise for the kids in it.

I thought you lucky bastards over sea can get this formidable piece of technology in the happy meal format adult at McDonald

[Guest ratchethack]

FWIW, I've been running a PC III for 3 years without a custom map. I got an off-the-shelf "library map" matched to my config. from Todd E. at GuzziTech.

 

http://www.guzzitech.com/PCIII-15M.html

 

Todd is THE resource on all things to do with PC III for the Guzzi. Last I knew, he had a greater knowledge base and map library on PC III's for Guzzi's than DynoJet, and he's more'n likely got much more today.

 

Now there've been those (on this Forum) with probably many hundreds of programming hours on their devices AND many more hundreds of Forum hours in discussion on programming, who've evidently "solved" lots of "problems", who will no doubt tell you what they've told me: What I've done is inherently, hopelessly, WRONG.

 

Hmmmmmmm. Let's see now.....

 

My Guzzi ran a great deal better INSTANTLY as soon as I plugged in the PC III. Check.

 

It pulls stronger, cleaner, and smoother, without hesitiation, from the bottom up to the rev limit. Check.

 

It gets as good mileage as I've heard about for any V-11. Check.

 

The plugs consistently read a nice tan-brown color with just a hint of a sooty "shadow". Check.

 

I haven't spent a dollar on a dyno pull or a programming device of any kind, nor have I lost a single minute of riding time juggling cells on a spreadsheet.

 

I'm obviously doing it all wrong.

[antonio carroccio]

Héy Ratch, how much was that Mc chicken?

[luhbo]

I'd let my fingers off this PC stuff. "Get a good map from a friend" is bollocks if you cannot 100% copy his entire setup.

You definitely need a dyno to get what you spent your friend's money for. Not that it wouldn't work, but it works now also, without a lot of money spent and a lot of space wasted.

 

My recomondation would also be a My15M 'cause I'm so glad with it, or for your faint hearted friend, as you wrote, a Tuneboy cable with software.

 

Tuneboy means a state of the art solution, reprogramming the OEM ecu, compatible with any TuneLink dyno, and also capable of reading and applying every PCIII map you can lay your hands on.

 

I forgot, the PCIII unfortunately cannot solve timing issues, it has to make wonders out of fuel and more fuel only...

 

 

Hubert

[Alex-Corsa]

I'd let my fingers off this PC stuff. "Get a good map from a friend" is bollocks if you cannot 100% copy his entire setup.

You definitely need a dyno to get what you spent your friend's money for. Not that it wouldn't work, but it works now also, without a lot of money spent and a lot of space wasted.

 

Similar setup maps will work OK , but of cource one will need the extra assistance of a good dyno , and or a real time AFR controler to bring best results for a perticular set up = extra costs.

It's like a custom made suit it always fits better when made exact to ones measurments.

 

 

 

Tuneboy means a state of the art solution, reprogramming the OEM ecu, compatible with any TuneLink dyno, and also capable of reading and applying every PCIII map you can lay your hands on.

 

Now ,OK the tune boy does programm some maps for the 15M but how does one flashes them to the ECU

I know that direct link thing that does diagnosis and mapping and flashing, but how one can flash a tune boy map to the ECU?

[vtwin]

Thank you all for the replies. Looks like GuzziTech is the way to go. I am also checking E-Bay, there are PC:s there for ~US$260..

[Guest ratchethack]

Thank you all for the replies. Looks like GuzziTech is the way to go. I am also checking E-Bay, there are PC:s there for ~US$260..

Vtwin, I congratulate you on y'er willingness to consider a choice as an individual, undaunted by others with another point of view.

 

Just my opinion, o' course, which is worth exactly wot you pay f'er it , but if you get your PC III from Todd E., you're getting far more than a piece of firmware with connectors and factory instructions that you might be lucky enough to get with y'er purchase on E-Bay. As he has done with me and many others I'm aware of, Todd will go out of his way to make sure y'er pleased with y'er purchase. I'm just pointing out that getting a PC III from Todd means having a fairly responsive, direct connection to the foremost resource on the planet with the PC III for Guzzi's, and that this is of great value to some, meself included.

 

Just a coupla more thoughts:

 

I have an older "dual purpose" thumper that gets lots of use. It's a SOHC 4-valver with dual carburetors -- one with a pilot jet for low-end mixing, and the other with a main jet for mid-to-high end. I've managed to tune this motor so that it runs just about as well as my Guzzi -- that is, far better and far stronger than possible when brand new. It runs so well that I can't imagine how it could run any better . I've tuned it meself with the addition of a tunable pipe, minor head cleanup and decking, intake box mod, raising the jet needles, and a couple o' oversized jets. I've tuned it by doing plug chops and the use of my trusty "seat-o-the-pants dyno".

 

How is it possible, I ask you, that I ever managed to tune this bike and a dozen previous moto's without the benefit of dynamometers and programming devices?! Just as I have with the Guzzi, I must've been doing it all WRONG! For that matter, how has it EVER been possible for ANYONE to've EVER well-tuned millions upon millions of carbureted motors of every description without dynamometers and programming devices?!?!

 

Enquiring minds just gotta know!!

 

Now I'm fully aware -- and at this point you should be too -- that it's more'n possible that the quality of the match of the PC III map that myself and others got from Todd could've been pure luck, circumstantial, an accident of fate, and a complete fluke. There is an element of well-considered risk involved here when you rely on someone else's map. I purchased the PC III knowing full well that I may need to get a custom map at some point, possibly immediately. I also knew that my options going forward were many, regardless. Now if I ever DO decide that I want a dyno pull and a custom map, I can always do it, there are many more options for me today than there were when I installed the PC III in the first place, and there were quite enough for my purposes then.

 

What's a curve on a piece of paper worth to you relative to engine performance that's as good as you can detect it on the road, by the mileage you get, and by the way y'er plugs read? Or are you planning on chasing land speed records? Drag racing? BOTT circuit racing? Maybe y'er expecting y'er choice of ECU control to allow you to drop the local hooligans on their UJM 600-4's between stoplights? If so, I reckon y'er gonna find y'erself up against challenges that're past the ability of a dyno and a custom map to become y'er "silver bullet" in any case. . . . .

 

BAA, TJM, & YMMV.