Guest dkgross Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 ok..my buddies Duc with Ferrachi pipes is stunning. I want my LeMans to sound like THAT. I've already got a PCIII w/stock map installed, so I'll need a new map. duh. but...the airbox question.... I like the look of the Mistral Ovals with the dark carbon fiber. But..which ones? Please help me spend my $.
RichMaund Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 I have a friend in MD who got two Thrush steel glass pack mufflers from a K-Mart or something and put them on his Sport 1100. He liked them so much for sound & power he then sent them off for silver hi temp coating at Jett Hot! A bit heavy, but the sound is outstanding. Deep & resonant and crisp. Very economical too!
RichMaund Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 It sure is! I'd know Howard's bike and rack combo anywhere! I machined for him the alloy spacers in the pipe mounts and roughed in some .5" alloy plate that he later finished into a new brake lever. He has racked up some very respectable mileage numbers on that bike!
dlaing Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 sport bike option: Gallasseti mufflers Stucchi crossover Budget bike option: cored stock crossover and drilled mufflers Touring bike option: not sure, maybe just the Stucchi crossover, but if you could find some low reverse megaphone mufflers... The ULTIMATE option: Quat-D (from Ghezzi and Brian) Any of these options with Ram Air looking for hand outs??? Sorry, spent my tax return on my bike.
jrt Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 You sound like you've already decided which mufflers you like- and the Mistrals DO sound good. Do some airbox mods too- the combo of the Mistral exhaust and the intake note are just wonderful. I'd recommend doing an airbox mod- if you want to go to pods later, it would still be an available option. Cheers, Jason
Guest dkgross Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 yeah..from what I've heard, the Mistrals sound AND look the best to me. One of the things I love about the stock LeMans cans is the oval/black look...but the carbon fiber Mistrals will match my new seat I need to do a little more research on the airbox stuff. The guys at Moto International seem to like the Stucchi X-Over as well. not asking for a handout, btw...Just don't want to spend my money foolishly, and I love all the advice and opinions on this board. It's been invaluable. And not snobby.
Guest JohnInNH Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 Dave, I have the Mistral CF Ovals... and the Stucchi x-Pipe I like it, but it is somewhat loud. Nice throaty sound. I have a PC-III as it runs much different with the pipes. To bad there is not a R version of the Powercommander for us.
jrt Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 What's an "R" version power commander? Full frontal capacitors or something? Cheers, Jason
al_roethlisberger Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 ...the "R" version allows for adjusting/remapping the ignition timing as well as the standard PC parameters around fueling. al
al_roethlisberger Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 BTW, here's the reply from Dyno(www.powercommander.com) that I just received: Al, while we appreciate you interest, the economics of it just do not add up. Even if every body that purchased a Power Commander for the Guzzi's went out and bought a new PCIIIr it would not cover the development time. To make a new model worth building we need to sell several hundred units. We just do not see the market for it. The only reason there are some of the more obscure Guzzi units available is because GuzziTech is willing to buy them in large quantities. Who knows, something may change in the future. Keep checking back at the web site. Regards, Michael Belcher Director of Fuel Injection Development michaelb@dynojet.com ...is it just me, or did this sound a bit "brusque" to you too? Ah well, maybe he was just in a hurry. Anyway, no "R" version on the horizon it seems, as Todd had mentioned to me in the past. Still send those emails though if you are so inclined. If there ever is to be an "R" version, and a "who knows" scenario, I'm sure that will have to be the catalyst... a grass-roots desire. al
emry Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 I would imagine that the Ducati's that use the 1.5M computer function very similairly to the Guzzi's. I have trouble believing that much development time would be needed. The message sounded like a "stop bothering about obscure bikes" type response.
Guest JohnInNH Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 I would imagine that the Ducati's that use the 1.5M computer function very similairly to the Guzzi's. I have trouble believing that much development time would be needed. The message sounded like a "stop bothering about obscure bikes" type response. I agree.... What's with thinking only a few guzzi's will be using em. How many 1.5M's are out there? Flawed logic. Narrow minded thinking. Even if they lost let's say $5,000 it would more than offset the gains in advertising. One happy Power commander owner is worth a LOT. How many Power Commanders has JUST Todd sold? They really don't give a crap cuz they have a zillion HD's that will be getting em. And HD owners will spent $100 for a cigarette lighter as long as it is COOL and has a HD logo on it. They have $$ to burn. We Guzzi folk have a rep of being cheap bastards. But insulting the Italian motorcycle enthusiast market is foolish. The mystique and the following is a lot larger than they think. Their loss. Maybe they can't keep up with the market and they really don't want to grow. They could be managing their growth, and restricting it. Who knows. Growing to fast can be bad too. I don't buy the cost to develop it. If the people are on salary and you are not farming out the work where is the cost? Attaching overhead hour labor cost to a project is BS funny money. If you did not use the hours it's lost capacity. I bet I could "find" the time for the project in their company, but they could not afford my consulting fee. Loosing some funny money to get real money is good, and even better is growing your customer base. In addition having a reputation of helping and working with ALL your customers is something most companies are dying for. Buy why would you expect a company which supports/allows a "HD only policy" to really give a crap? We are lucky we have what we do!
al_roethlisberger Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 Good thoughts, my suggestion? Write a letter(well an email) directly to Mr. Belcher. His email again: Michael Belcher Director of Fuel Injection Development michaelb@dynojet.com ...even if you don't want or need an "R" version, I think it would be very interesting for him to see the level of interest. For every email received, that potentially represents several 10's of people that would buy one, but don't because it's not available and never thought to contact PC directly. al
Guest dkgross Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 anyone want to clarify why the Stucci xover is better/different than the Mistral X-over? Pretty sure I'm going with the Mistral 'basso' CF Ovals. (the PowerCommander website has a map already for the Mistral/Mistral/stock airbox combo), and since the nearest 'Authorized Tuning Center" to Seattle is in Southern California....
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