Murray Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Intresting the local dealer can't keep anything new on the floor for longer than a week. The other stuff is presold before it arrives. Norge's Breva's Griso, Vintage's all of them.
Guzzirider Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Intresting the local dealer can't keep anything new on the floor for longer than a week. The other stuff is presold before it arrives. Norge's Breva's Griso, Vintage's all of them. Maybe us Poms are just fussy!!
Alex-Corsa Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Its plain silly to compare these new strangled-by-regulations models with the Godzillas and Dr Johns of the old world. I personally compared a right out of the box 1100i Sport with a right out of the box 1200 twin spark Norge(measured from Motorrad magazine). None is expecting monster HP from a Guzzi though bigger cc and other mods should bring a bike at least a bit hgher than previous models. For the rest also expressed what is expected. As far as the Beemers go , it is very unlikelly for Guzzi to compete them for obvious reasons. BMW has upgraded all it's models , heve a ''faithull'' customers ''audience' , perhaps only new customers is that Guzzi can target and it seems it is getting good to that, as I see the new models have sold more than before.
Guest goffredo Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 My New Engine: on paper: very very interesting stuff. I'll comment on it when I'll see it for real. i.e. march-june 2007. New Griso: The Griso is beautiful. This is is somewhat too much, imho. Lots of people were drolling on it too. 940 Custom: words cannot tell how ugly it is. Nice try, interesting parts but the overall mix is disappointing and porrly finished. Give 20 mins and a spare parts bin to Filippo Barbacane and you get a much better bike. Done in house, to demonstrate that Guzzi still has a Centro Stile... target missed in my opinion. I will be glad if I am wrong but it won't sell. rest of the range: Yet another colour which suits the Griso. In matt orange, it is stunning. Nice pearly white colour for the Brevas. Reason to be optimistic: Guzzi will sponsor again the trip to Daytona to Guareschi and his MGS. That has been mentioned during the offcial presentation by the boss Daniele Bandiera. Reason to be pessimistic: I expected more attention to the sport fans. Such as A Griso/1200 Cup or something... G.
Alex-Corsa Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Griso is indeed nice looking bike , the 8V is refined and the new exhaust adds in style as well. The 1200S is also a very good effort with potencial. I guess (I hope) the new 8V will be further tested and developed till March 2007? And or couple of versions can be made...perhaps.
wsholar Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 As far as the Beemers go , it is very unlikelly for Guzzi to compete [with] them for obvious reasons. BMW has upgraded all it's models , heve a ''faithull'' customers ''audience' , perhaps only new customers is that Guzzi can target and it seems it is getting good to that, as I see the new models have sold more than before. Guzzi can and will compete with BMW moving forward, and here's why: Piaggio/Guzzi have done their market/history research, and they've discovered that there is a market for a "sexy V-twin BMW." They know that BMW doesn't know how to design a sexy bike. They know that they can come much closer to BMW's fit/finish/reliability/sophistication than BMW can ever come to their beauty/sexiness. Also, Piaggio/Guzzi know that BMW will never produce a longitudinal V-twin. Ducati is a Ferrari, BMW is a BMW (auto), Guzzi wants to be a Maserati. Make sense? Makes sense to me, but it just might take a while for Guzzi to get there. Just my
Paul Minnaert Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 well, the new engine looks good on paper. But first we need one on the road. Max power @ 9500 rpm suggests that the flow is very good in the heads. My 4v has peak power @ 8000. But first it should run. Not the wooden engine from now. If they have made it well, and not to expensive to build, the engine can go in all bikes, like bmw did. But if thy ask a premium price, it won't sell much. The 940 is received good on the wildguzzi forum. The americans do hava a different taste. I had ecspected a cali folow up. A full cruiser. Why not 1100 at least, doesn't make production more expensive, and is better marketingwise. The americans need big displacement engines.
DeBenGuzzi Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 The 940 is received good on the wildguzzi forum. The americans do hava a different taste. I had ecspected a cali folow up. A full cruiser. Why not 1100 at least, doesn't make production more expensive, and is better marketingwise. The americans need big displacement engines. It is a VERY american styled bike, and I like it. reminds me of the harleys of coarse but with a true Guzzi soul. I just hope it isn't the same price as a harley 12-14K I could see 9-10k but otherwise I'd want the Harley as it is much easier to get parts, serivce, access, ect.
Alex-Corsa Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Guzzi can and will compete with BMW moving forward, and here's why: Piaggio/Guzzi have done their market/history research, and they've discovered that there is a market for a "sexy V-twin BMW." They know that BMW doesn't know how to design a sexy bike. They know that they can come much closer to BMW's fit/finish/reliability/sophistication than BMW can ever come to their beauty/sexiness. Also, Piaggio/Guzzi know that BMW will never produce a longitudinal V-twin. BMW is in the class of aroun 65.000 units on motorcycles per year,So competing that is out of the question. And personally I find it hard to withdraw BWM customers (who don't give a darn about sexines on a bike in the vast majority)Reliability perhaps? that's an issue, after sales service perhaps? Yep that's also a serious issue on atracting new customers or even older customers , like very corectly Deben says : I could see 9-10k but otherwise I'd want the Harley as it is much easier to get parts, serivce, access, ect. Guzzi can produce and does most of the time very nice bikes , all they need is: good after sales network and a engine performance of 10-20% higher from what's now on their new models. ,i.e. the aprox.85Hp of the Norge should be 105 (on clutch talking) Though it is going on a better than ever path till now with Piaggio. Ducati is a Ferrari, BMW is a BMW (auto), Guzzi wants to be a Maserati. Make sense? Makes sense to me, but it just might take a while for Guzzi to get there. Just my Ducati seems to be a ferrari though IMO hopefully Guzzi doesn't got be a masserati (however nice and sexy they can be)they break down too often. The 940 is received good on the wildguzzi forum. The americans do hava a different taste. I had ecspected a cali folow up. A full cruiser. Why not 1100 at least, doesn't make production more expensive, and is better marketingwise. The americans need big displacement engines. To me seems more like a substitute for Nevada than the Calli, Eventually I think that the callis could very possibly get the 1200 motor latter on.
wsholar Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 BMW is in the class of aroun 65.000 units on motorcycles per year,So competing that is out of the question. And personally I find it hard to withdraw BWM customers (who don't give a darn about sexines on a bike in the vast majority)Reliability perhaps? that's an issue, after sales service perhaps? Yep that's also a serious issue on atracting new customers or even older customers... BMW will not be competing for 65,000 customers, they will be competing for something on the order of 10,000 new customers/yr, and Guzzi has a very good chance of winning more than half of those IF they can build a nicely finished, fairly reliable, but very sexy line of bikes. That's all. And I'll take a new Maserati over a new BMW auto any day of the week. So will many other car buyers out there. It's a niche market, but large enough to turn into a viable business.
Alex-Corsa Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 So will many other car buyers out there. It's a niche market, but large enough to turn into a viable business. Even if winning so many more customers than what they have now I doupt if so many bikes can be produced in the Mandello facillities. and 2. It can't happen , have you a chance to see the new line up of BMW ?, strategically after attacking Japan high speed cruisers and powerfull naked they're attacking the KTM, as well now. As far as reputation goes BMW's happen to have just a bigger name on their bikes than Guzzi, just plain fact. BMW's have less character than Guzzis ,and that's all The small difference is that BMW and Maserrati are in high performance area, Guzzi isn't (at the moment)
mznyc Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Yes! BRING THE MGS-02 NOW !!! Yes,Yes,Yes.That Breva tank and air duct thingie on the V12 is FUGLY as all HELL!! Give us a V12,MGS half-fairing,higher electrical output for accessories,more touring toys,hard bags,heated grips,ets. Ring the freakin thing out before it leaves the factory,so places like this don't have to exsist so we have to fix our own problems that seem to ALWAYS show up.Wouldn't be great if we could just complain about color choices and availibility and not have to talk about,bad electrics,exploding clutches,unavailable parts,MG-MGUSA ignoring us. Just my 3 pence. Guzzi can and will compete with BMW moving forward, and here's why: Piaggio/Guzzi have done their market/history research, and they've discovered that there is a market for a "sexy V-twin BMW." They know that BMW doesn't know how to design a sexy bike. They know that they can come much closer to BMW's fit/finish/reliability/sophistication than BMW can ever come to their beauty/sexiness. Also, Piaggio/Guzzi know that BMW will never produce a longitudinal V-twin. Ducati is a Ferrari, BMW is a BMW (auto), Guzzi wants to be a Maserati. Make sense? Makes sense to me, but it just might take a while for Guzzi to get there. Just my If the V12 is supposed to be sexy,my eyes are not 20/20 anymore!
antonio carroccio Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 ...bla,heated grips,ets. ...bla... What do you need this "heated grips" for???
mznyc Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 What do you need this "heated grips" for??? Ah,,,....er ....It gets a little cold in the Northeast in winter.Ride year round as long as there's no ice on road.Dont know if youve ever sport-toured on your bike ,but you would appreciate heated grips as many of our other members do ..On an early morning run at 11 thousand feet on a mountain pass around freezing point you would too. To me riding twisty roads I don't know or having been on before gets my blood flowing.Riding the same the roads year in and out I find pretty boring.You do go farther than a few miles and or hours from your house right? I did say that I wish they would offer it as an OPTION,you don't have to buy it.Never put up any of my bikes for winter as they always get ridden,call me crazy I prefer to RIDE my bike over working on it.I'm funny like that,bla bla bla Hope this answers you question.
antonio carroccio Posted November 20, 2006 Posted November 20, 2006 You did answer my question. But you also are right, you can buy this heated grips as an option. I believe BWM can procure you a heated ass too.
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